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LCR .357 Ranch Carry

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by giese, Aug 30, 2012.

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  1. giese

    giese Member

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    Elmer Keith made a comment once about carrying on the farm/ranch and being able to stop a bull on top of you or have a chance at shutting down and engine with a well placed shot to the mass of metal. He referenced the .357 due to its abililty have a chance at these functions as well as the ability of the revolver to make a close body contact shot when something large is on you.

    I am in this market, farm full time, big machines, spinning shafts, big cows and bulls upto 2000+lbs. On my feet often, in and out of equipment, sit down, stand up, bend, lift, carry etc.

    To follow Keiths thoughts I would need to be using some pretty stout ammo for penetration stuff like CORBON 180 hard cast or others. At least a few of the 5 rounds in the cylinder would need to be this, maybe shoots 2 and 3 of 5. I would carry a much more reasonable 2 legged defense round when not on the ranch or in the remainder of the cylinder or for smiting the ocassional opportune pest critter around the place such as a coyote in range or garden destroying rabbit.


    Would the LCR handle these heavy rounds at all? I would not be shooting these heavy rounds for fun on a normal range session but I would want to try a few (3 or so) to be prepared from time to time. Normal practise with LCR would be .38 or light .357.

    Also I have a 4" GP100 when I want to enjoy the big rounds. I have always assumed I would get an SP101 but the newer LCR and its ease of carry would be key for my somewhat active lifestyle.

    Any suggestions and thoughts would be great.
     
  2. JohnM

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    Tractors gone bad! :what:
    I think I'd want something along the lines of a 75mm anti tank gun.
    Not sure how many Wally Worlds carry the ammo though.
     
  3. BSA1

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    Can the Ruger LCR handle hot loads? Absolutely. Ruger handguns are famous for being overengineered.

    Can the shooter handle shooting hot loads out of a small, lightweight revolver? Depends on the experience level of the shooter.

    Can the shooter overcome the small sight and heavy recoil of the 357 magnum to actually hit what they are aiming at, especailly a small kill zone at distance? Practice, practice, practice.

    I am only a hobby rancher compared to you but the most useful gun I have found is the Colt Single Action Revolver. Build a smaller frame than the large frame heavy Rugers SA it packs the punch of the 45 Colt. I can mix the loads with shotshells for rattlers and anything in between.
     
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  4. RaceM

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    Think I'd stick with the 4" GP. Hot loads out of a light gun are no fun and you'd need to practice enough to get good with 'em. I carry my 6" GP on the tractor sometimes and it ain't that bad, but the 4" would likely be much better (no need for the leg tie down).
     
  5. lloveless

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    I have been a farmer, though not now. I carried a 4 inch gp-100 then, but I have a sp-101 with a 3 inch barrel, and wish I'd had it then. Lighter and fairly accurate to 25 yds. It will handle the corbon 200 grs with no problem. I still have one Billy E. Goat that gets uppity at times-spooky and unpredictable. I feel much better with the sp in a bianchi belt slide strong side carry. Good luck in your quest. I usually carry 158gr lswc over 13.5 grs 2400. Or Remington 125gr jsp.
    ll
     
  6. jmorris

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    I generally carry an STI vip in 9mm at our farm but I use the key to kill the engines on equipment and you can pet our bull, we also sell any cows that don't act right.

    Although almost as rare as an evil run away tractor, I am more likely to come across a catfish eating snake and it is enough gun to put them both out of their misery at the same time.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. adelbridge

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    polymer will hold up better after years of sweat.
     
  8. firesky101

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    I have the KLCR, and it has been quite durable with hot loads. I equate the recoil impluse as similar to a k-frame. That being said I would carry a longer barrel if possible. .357 gains a lot from just a couple of inches, and that might matter on a pissed off bull ( I have never tried to put a bull down so no experience on how tough they are). As for an engine block, anything that pierces the radiator will stop it eventually, but nothing short of .308AP and larger will put it down right now with any reliablility.
     
  9. giese

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    I wonder if run away tractors trump Zombies? A more reasonable scenario may be your in a corn bin and pant leg gets stuck in the sweep auger, a few rounds with a .357 may stop that couple horsepower electric motor, all within 30 ft usually.

    And yes I agree calm cattle are better, all our stock cows(mamas) are easy to handle but they can be spooked too by something small. And if you have ever got a load of 100 head of 6-700 lbers out of Idaho that havent seen a human or a fence until they day they were rounded up and put on trucks, well sometimes when they come off the trucks they dont stop until they hit something!

    Good thoughts so far from you all, keep them coming, I havent posted on here for a few years as I hav ebeen busy, still lots of class here. I still am not sure but I am going to the gun shop tomorrow and leaving with an SP101 or an LCR .357. Right now I am thinking LCR due to ease of carry every day with a belt and pockets full of other crap such as smartbrick(phone), leatherman, nuts, bolts, flashlight, widgets, wallet etc. And I dont feel I will use those hot loads often.
     
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    I'm not a full-time rancher anymore, but still have 50 acres in the country. My favorite carry for a long time was a 2 3/4" Ruger Speed Six stainless. Actually killed a few ground squirrels with it. Never felt the need for hot .357s. Now my bang around pistol is a KelTec PRM 30. 31 rounds of .22 magnum seem to be plenty of firepower. But I haven't been charged by a bull for about 40 years, and no PTO on the Kubota.
     
  11. giese

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    Just so everyone knows, I am not in the bull killing business on a regular basis, at low priced bulls going for $2500 and expensive ones going for ten times that it is not good business. I usually prefer to step aside and smack them in the nose with a sorting stick when they get a bit rambunctious. But things can happen, back in my late teens had a good cow get me cornered, backed up between the bucket of the loader and the front tire, she got me on my back and it didnt look good. She didnt like me vaccinating her calf that day. Good thing a wise and fast fella, my Dad, was near by to persuade her to turn her attention elsewhere. Had I been by myself had a sufficient revolver we might have had some fresh ground beef as a last resort.
     
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    Now that is a serious pit viper. Who made your IWB? It looks like Elmer at the Leather Arsenal...

    That or his old boss, Sparks.


     
  13. CZF

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    I think a 158 gr. SWC or JHP would be OK in a LCR .357 Magnum,
    and give you a light package to carry all day.
    [​IMG]
    I've shot some 38+P 158s out of my two LCRs, but no SWCs.

    [​IMG]Some people will tell you that a SWC is ideal for both dangerous humans and
    animals. Esp. in a open enviroment where you don't have to worry much
    about over-pen.

    The 158 .357 Magnum Soft Points and JHPs out of my SP-101 were seemingly powerful.
    Enough that I used them as my outdoor ammo.[​IMG]

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    Same ammo out of my Ruger Speed Six was much tamer.
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    best of luck with your eventual .357 magnum purchase.
     
  14. One_Jackal

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    The thing about a .357 mag is short barrels don't flatter it. I can really tell the difference between my blackhawk 6" and Dan Wesson 10". The 10" barrel is like shooting a hand rifle. After shooting guns that have a realistic 50 yard range I would run the 2" model over with the tractor.
     
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    Is any handgun cartridge "flattered" by short barrels? :scrutiny: I can't think of one.
     
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    I think what he was trying to say is that .357 has more to gain/loose than others because of case volume and powders that can be used. For example out of a carbine the 357 is much more powerfull than you could ever get out of a 2" barrel. The .25acp on the other hand won't have near the difference out of a 2" or 20" barrel.
     
  17. Rexster

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    A .357 might have been able to save that Texas mayor who was killed on his ranch by a large male donkey recently. (Unless, of course, an initial blow was disabling.) As for the weapon, itself, unless deep concealment is an urgent need, why a snubby for ranch carry? Three-plus inches is my idea of a general utility revolver, and the new 4" SP101 has my attention, wishing my budget could accomodate it, without having to trade. (I have a 3" SP101, and three with 2.25" barrels.)

    I have fired the Federal CastCore 180-grain non-jacketed load without pain in a 2.25" Ruger SP101.
     
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    I carry a 4" GP in a cyclone cross-draw holster.
    Not too heavy, and stays out of the way until I might need it.
    YMMV
     
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    Elmer referenced that in many of his writings.

    But he didn't say to use a .357 for it.
    He considered the .357 to be the best of the "small bores", and suitable mostly for long range target practice and killing jack rabbits!

    He was a big proponent of big bore revolvers for any mad bull or engine stopping use.

    His recommendations for a minimum caliber was always at least a hot loaded .44 Spl, if not a .44 Magnum.

    He said if he had to make do with only one factory loaded caliber for all of it, it would be a .45 Colt.

    rc
     
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    I would carry the GP-100 over the LCR any day for what you need doing. Buy yourself a good belt holster that will carry the weight easily and you are set.

    If I were buying a new revolver I would choose a Vaquero or Blackhawk in 45 Colt instead. There is very little that can go wrong with a Ruger SA revolver so it will be there if you need it! Second choice with be the same revolvers in 38/357.
     
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    For all day carry, other than maybe the 3" model I think a GP100 is too heavy. If you want a 4" barrel than the SP is available with that' as well as 3" and the 2.25" versions. Getting back to the LCR, I did a bit of looking around the internet and saw some chronographed velocities using Federal 180gr castcore ammo in a J-frame 17/8" barrel where observed velocity was a little over 900fps. That strikes me as a very effective load for penetration in a easily tote-able LCR. Using the std Houge grip, my thinking the recoil will be stiff but tolerable.

    I'd like to see Ruger offer the LCR with a 3" barrel and some upgraded sights ala S&W Night Guards. With a bit more weight to tame recoil such a gun would be superb trail gun IMHO.
     
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    I am around cattle every day, you learn which cows are a little "crazy" real quick and which bulls can turn on you (all of them). if you are an experienced rancher/cattleman, you dont carry a pistol to kill them, you just use common sense, a hotshot, bullwhip or a 2x4 if you need one....cattle are too expensive to go in with a mentality of "kill it if it turns on you"
     
  23. giese

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    Texas- Agreed with much of what you said, see my post from later yesterday. I am not claiming to be a cattle expert but have been working some cows for a few years.... In my world I would have a better chance of meeting my end from a 4 legged crazed critter I am working by myself that gets me down than 2 legged, I cant have a babysitter in this line of work all the time. Probably better chance of that than most folks on THR, other than law enforcment, have of meeting a bad situation with 2 legged. So the majority of folks on here carry with less of a chance of being injured/maimed/killed than I do, I would say you might want to change your plan and keep something on you. Just playing the odds.

    RC- Thanks for the correction, my reference was to an article I read by Ayoob many years ago in which he cited Keith, I ask forgiveness for my error. After you corrected me I seemed to have much more recollection of the article and you are correct in what you said, thanks again, I dont want to misrepresent Keith or lead folks astray by my ignorance and that was not my intention. Kudos for your gun history knowledge. THR has some pretty competent folks.

    So.... in conclusion... Went to the store... Picked up a nice 2" SP101 for myself... Liked the heft, ruggedness, and trigger is similar to my GP100. I will grab some holster selections over the next few weeks and be happy I believe. But I just didnt like leaving that LCR.... So Mrs. giese took one in .38+p home with her, she was very pleased with the trigger, probably get some static for this but she liked the Colt Detective we had an opportunity to fire a few weeks back and she said it felt simialr in her had. Her purse will be much the wiser for this choice I hope... and smiles were had all around....

    Thanks for advice, now ammo and holsters are on my mind........
     
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    Like you, I am a farmer. I spend most of my time outdoors for work and play. I also chose a SP101 as a 'round the farm, why are the dogs barking?, 4-whlr riding, tractor driving, flyfishing gun. I have had mine for a couple years now, and have been well pleased.

    I chose a Don Hume IWB holster. It is inexpensive, but fits the gun like a glove. It also conceals well, and can be shoved in the front pocket of my jeans for a quick trip out the door. I recommend it too.

    Don't know what it's like where u are....but our corn is making 2-12bu/a. Normally 160-180bu/a.
     
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