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LE groups against our rights

Discussion in 'Activism' started by LAR-15, Jan 27, 2008.

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  1. wheelgunslinger

    wheelgunslinger Member

    Jan 2, 2005
    0 hours west of NC
    And, in my mind, a lot of the issue of contempt from both sides could be resolved simply by High Roaders going to the range with a local LEO.

    Getting to know and putting a face on a stereotype really tends to screw up your preconceived notions. There's no getting around what happened during Katrina, but having a "Take a LEO shooting" day will do more for the cause than to continue on with throwing stones.
  2. Fat_Tony

    Fat_Tony Member

    Jun 19, 2006
    I have several suggestions for activism:

    1.) As Robert Hairless suggested in post # 26, if you are not already a member, join the NRA.

    2.) I am not a police officer, nor a union member, so I do not believe that I can affect the policy of the FOP. I do respectfully request however that the pro-2nd amendment officers on this board attempt to pressure their FOP union representatives to get the FOP hierarchy to submit a brief in favor of a broad-ranging individual rights interpretation in the Heller case.

    3.) If my 2nd suggestion is not doable, will an FOP member please inform the rest us of why this is the case, and if the rest of us can do anything to help?


  3. Cavalier Knight

    Cavalier Knight Member

    Dec 19, 2006
    New York NY
    Law Enforcement Alliance of America


    On MSNBC LEAA's Ted Deeds takes on notorious anti-gun, anti-self defense leader, Paul Helmke, President of The Brady Campaign.

    LEAA made the case in support of new laws to protect those innocent parties who use a gun for self defense from being sued by the very criminals who first put them in jeopardy.

    Without such protections, greedy members of the Trial Bar are all too willing to take cases and prosecute otherwise innocent folks whose only 'crime' was to use a gun for selfdefense and put the good guy on trial.

    LEAA has always supported the right of honest, law abiding Americans to own, carry and use guns as a means of self-defense.

    Each innocent prospective crime victim should have the right to choose.. the right to choose self-defense and life!

    MSNBC chose to term the debate with an inflamatory approach calling it "Shoot to Kill" laws, etc.

  4. I LIKE IT!

    I LIKE IT! Member

    Dec 20, 2006
    Who gives a hoot what LEOs think? They're Gov. employees, nothing else.

    Only time I give a heck about what one thinks is when he/she is signing off
    on my Form 4.

    LEO are humans with firearms doing a job not supreme overlords.
  5. beemerphile

    beemerphile Member

    Jan 14, 2008
    Danielsville, GA USA
    RE: What about the Fraternal Order of Police? You know, the 300,000 member group who opposed repealing the Tiahrt amendment and got called "a fringe group" by NY Mayor Bloomberg.

    I checked the FOP's legislative positions before donating to them last year. I did not see any gun control positions that they were promoting and made the decision (again) to provide support. Now the "chiefs" and "mayors" organizations are another story. I would look at the legislative agenda of each agency individually to see where they stand and not paint them all with the same broad brush.
  6. copper4262

    copper4262 Member

    Nov 14, 2006
    Good thread - alot of good questions being brought up - My opinion if obviously biased due to my current employment as an LEO - First off - i think when it goes to the big LEO organizations - yes - they are anti-gun - Its all politics and money - thats what it boils down to - and yes - there are some rank and file guys who are anti as well - i think part of that comes from where they work and the amount of gun violence they deal with everyday - sometimes its hard to remember there are good people in your community when you deal with nothing but the bottom of the barrel all day/night long - iv had that problem myself - forgetting there are decent hard working people - its really hard to not get cynical - i think that is where alot of mistrust comes in on the part of the LEOs - that being said - i can honestly say that where i work most of the LEOs are pro gun - sure there are always going to be exceptions, but most of the guys i have worked with like guns at least a little and they also realize that we can't protect everyone - sure we dont want guns in the hands of criminals and will do anything we can to take them away - but thats part of protecting the community we serve - i also dont want drunk drivers on the road and will do anything i can to take them off the street - doesn't mean i want to ban Budlite - anyway - just wanted to share my thoughts - I have an interest in guns and that hasn't changed since i became a cop - i believe citizens have a right to defend themself and i believe that no-one can take that right away - that hasn't changed either since i became a cop - most rank and file agree with me - and no we are not out there trying to infringe on peoples rights - i cant speak for every cop everywhere but i try my best to uphold the oath i took and to continue do my job with pride and i will not compramise my ethics for anyone - im sorry to everyone who has ever had a bad run in with a cop - i have and because of that i strive everyday to treat people with respect - Maybe im just lucky to live in a nice quiet mid-west state(ND) where people still consider the right to bear arms - well a right - and a duty - im honestly surprised more people haven't discovered our little seceret up here and started the migration - but then maybe thats not such a bad thing for us -
    but again - my 2cents
  7. dave_pro2a

    dave_pro2a Member

    Oct 28, 2006

    Get more gun manufactuers and ammo suppliers to stop selling to LEOs/agencies.

    Write letters. Explain that even Glock, Colt and Federal will lose in the long term if USA falls the way Australia and England have.

    EVERY firearm and ammunition manufacturer should swear the following pledge:
    "I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms." ~ Ronnie Barrett http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2727

    Barrett did. Just imagine if Colt and Glock did too!

    Apply market pressure, just like the pro2A community has in the past with S&W, Ruger, etc.

    It seems Charles Daly get's the point.
    "Now that we're in the AR market, and we want to pursue LE sales, I'm going to have to find a way to deal with these opposing viewpoints. We want LE sales, but we don't want to be beholding to buyers that don't trust our citizen consumers. Hell of a balancing act for a gun company."

    Colt has screwed average consumers on their ARs, branding them LEO only and trying to strong arm retailers to not sell them to peon citizens. Their greedy quest for OUR tax dollars have caused them to abandon civic Constitutional principles -- and consumers should encourage them to change.

    What if *most* people rejected companies that pandered for LEO contracts. What if our hard earned money went to smaller manufacturers that do no business with police agencies? The larger companies could regain our patronage... if they stopped supporting lies, deception, gun banning, etc.

    On changing the anti-gun political leanings of the police unions, only voting members can do that afaik.

    The rank and file are responsible for their union representatives, while we simply deal with the fall out.
  8. ilbob

    ilbob Member

    Jun 14, 2006
    The NRA had some kind of hand in forming the LEAA which is something like what you are suggesting. I don't know how much sway it has, if any.

    ORYGUN Member

    Jan 28, 2008

    I live in a neighborhood surrounded by six police officers, one of them being my cousin they all support me packing...
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