Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Cacique500, Nov 6, 2008.
Its like saying that oranges grow in Florida, and they're orange... therefore, being in Florida causes orangeness.
NEWSFLASH: If your venison is silvery-gray, shiny, and crunchier than usual... you may want to take the buckshot out next time.
That's because people who eat wild game generally shoot more or reload more than those that don't. It has nothing to do with lead levels in the meat. And they come to conclusion based on an "appearance". What nonsense!
If they're not considered dangerous for children and pregnant women (acceptable bll levels for children and pregnant women are lower for typical adults) then why the recommendation?
I guess they mean the spring of 2008. Funny since it hasn't been a problem for American hunters and pioneers between the spring of 1708 and the spring of 2008.
He said there was an environmental impact study done and it would take something like 20,000 years for the lead to do anything. It just sits there and does not leach into the soil like some might think.
He said all the years and the millions of shotgun, rifle and pistol loads fired there isn't affecting anything.
I'd like to see the source for your statement because in my experience that statement is far from true. Most of the shooters I know shoot more in a weekend than your average hunter will in a year. However, not knowing every hunter...
I thought steel shot was required for waterfowl hunting because ducks were getting sick from swallowing lead shot.
we should do a zumbo on the people responsible for this --ND is quite full of animal extreamests!
I'm not a biologist (just a conservationist in training, graduating in May) but as birds, do not ducks also have a gizzard for crushing their food?
If the lead pellets stick in the gizzard or are ground into finer and finer particles, then they could be more readily absorbed and less easily passed through the digestive system.
Also, how much does a duck weigh? Compared to a "typical" 120-150 pound adult human, I would expect increases in blood lead levels would affect waterfowl much sooner than a human.
blood levels do not always agree with clinical signs which explains the warning for pregnant women and children(crosses into the brain easier in them)
After the Heller ruling the anti's may change their strategy and go after ammunition, for "the children" of course.
I am in the printing business and for generations typesetters handled lead all day every day for the length of their careers and I have NEVER heard of anyone in the printing industry having health problems related to lead. We no longer use lead type due to advances in technology but our shop was one of the last to stop. I personally handled Linotype metal (a hardened lead alloy) daily for twenty years and still make home cast bullets out of the left over Linotype metal.
I think he was talking about Joe Blow in general, not that hunters were taking the place of "your shooters" of shooting everything to hell in a weekend and workin' a frenzy reloading.
Because think about it, most of the people, like he said, eating wild game, are going to be getting that wild game, with guess what, lead ammunition and are going to be more prone to be around it.
Joe Blow, on the other hand, will not be getting that meat from the field, but rather in a grocery store, and may have no involvement with firearms or ranges or hunting, so they wouldn't have higher levels of lead.
I went slow for easier comprehension and underlined the key word. Besides, the whole thing is bunk anyway.
I spent a good bit of my career analyzing various materials for heavy metals including lead. A heavy x-ray absorbing metal like lead will show up like a spotlight in an x-ray. This doesn't give any idea of the level of lead or any other metal in the meat. In order to determine that the meat (a whole representative boned carcass for instance) has to be finely ground, thoroughly mixed, digested with hot acids (nitric and hydrochloric together), then the digest analyzed with proper instrumentation - atomic absorption spectrophotometry usually. THAT will tell how much lead is actually in the meat. It's likely on the level of very low parts per million (ppm) or maybe high parts per billion (ppb).
I've also spent a few hours preparing lead standards from 99.999% pure lead, and let me tell you it requires heat and nitric and hydrochloric acids to get it all into solution (one gram in a liter of liquid). Lead is bad stuff to ingest, especially for children, but it isn't absorbed to any great extent from ingesting the metal. It's like mercury, nasty stuff, but the metal in the stomach is hardly dissolved. Undissolved, it just passes through causing no damage or injury. Soluble salts of lead as was used in lead based paint or of mercury are VERY toxic. The metals are not very toxic at all except in the form of vapor from casting lead bullets for instance, or free metallic mercury from a broken thermometer that's been vacuumed up (it passes through the vacuum bag and is dispersed in the air - bad).
MD's are very good (usually) at repairing broken or sick people, but usually not too hot at other things they have no experience at - just like everybody else. MD doesn't mean LORD GOD KNOW IT ALL, with all due respect to MD's in the crowd.
=>I am in the printing business and for generations typesetters handled lead all day every day for the length of their careers and I have NEVER heard of anyone in the printing industry having health problems related to lead. We no longer use lead type .
I cant agree enough --!
I ran a radiator repair and recoring shop for years.. Always sandblasting radiator tanks to get the coroded solder off the seams ,days spend soldering tanks on rads and cleaning melted solder off most everything-Lead and tin based fluxes and Hydrocloric acids ..
One time I got sick -figured it had to be lead poisioning [was migrane headaches] got tested and the results came back a detable trace No big deal-after all those years!
Trust me your shot deer aint gona poison you and your bullet casting aint gona do it eather.. Oh yea My sister swallowed a 45cal ball when she was a todler passed out in her stool dad found it-thats how we know she ate it--Did not hurt her--Unless her becoming an enviromental wacko liberal,is the results of the lead poisioning..:
The fowl eat the lead pellets (like stones) and they end up in the gizzard. From here it can be absorbed into the fowls system. From my reading, it appears the fowl die from lead poisoning. Now if you harvest waterfowl that have ingested lead pellets and have high levels of Pb in their system it could be dangerous to mom and baby. Acute lead exposure (i.e. shooting fowl with lead) would be much less of an issue. Lead ingestion can be dangerous, since Pb will dissolve, albeit not easily, in acidic solutions. Now it does not take much to be toxic (whole blood concentration of >10pg/dL (1.0xe-11g/dL)). Bottom line is to limit lead exposure in pregnant woman and little kids.
Growing up in south Fla, (before the real estate boom) with a father who lived and breathed quail hunting and consuming many #8 bird shot. I would have to disagree with the study. As a previous poster said"just spit them out" but I am sure that I ate many pellets too.. no effects so far.
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