Lead free hunting ammo

Discussion in 'Hunting' started by Hunter 08, Apr 29, 2021 at 11:53 PM.

  1. wombat13

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    I've taken several deer with 165 gr Barnes TSX in my .300WM. MV a bit over 3,000 fps. I am not convinced that they consistently open up on broadside heart/lung shots and switched back to lead bullets. This past season, my BIL took two deer with a 180 gr. TTSX out of his .30-06. MV about 300 fps slower than my TSX load and he had fantastic expansion on his broadside shots. The nose cavity is much larger on TTSX than on TSX. I will avoid TSX unless going for elk or bigger or unless I was intentionally going to shoot bone. I just bought a couple boxes of 150 gr TTSXs to work up a load for my .300WM because the 165 TSX was so accurate. I really want to hunt with Barnes bullets, but it has got to open fast enough.

    I plan to work up mono bullet loads for all of my hunting rifles. NY DEC wants hunters to transition away from lead, and knowing this state, it is just a matter of time before lead bullets are banned. I'd rather work on this at my leisure and then buy up a good stock of bullets.
     
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  2. Shanghai McCoy

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    Years ago on a traditional muzzleloader forum one of the members did some experimenting with patched brass or bronze bearings as an alternative to lead.
    I recall that the accuracy was good. Not sure how they did in game though ?
    Long ago the Mexican army used copper balls in their cannons so there is some historic precedence I guess..? o_O
     
  3. Double Naught Spy

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    It was a better alternative to iron. It was more dense than the iron cannonballs and hence were gave them a ballistic advantage for distance over the US. Copper was also a raw material that they had in abundance from silver mine operations.
     
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  4. Shanghai McCoy

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    I'd also read that the balls had a blueish streak as they flew after being fired.
     
  5. BillWM

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    Banning lead hunting bullets will not help the environment, it's not the same as shot into a pond. Too many worry about jacket separation, jackets were designed to prevent lead from melting at higher velocities. A good bonded jacket is Speer HotCor. These work very well and are not overpriced like other bullets that rely on crimping to keep the jacket to the core. Basic cup and core bullets have been around since smokeless powder. Inexpensive to produce and give excellent results in the field. Bullets claiming sharp jacket edges that cut through is nonsense. A bullet will penetrate due to velocity, not cutting petal jackets. Save cutting for arrow heads.
    I've taken many deer and retrieved quite a few bullets. In muzzle loading season I use a 58 cal with a pure lead cast mini ball. I make them myself and it dropped a big 8 pointer, went through both lungs and stopped at the hide in the far side. A pure chunk of lead is all that's required, they expand and stay together better than any of these newer bullets with more advertising than proven results.
     
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  6. zdc1775

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    My preferred hunting loads are the 62gr TTSX over a max charge of Varget in .223 and the 165 gr TTSX over H4850 don't remember the exact charge weight for that one. Either way I have used the 223 on deer out to 200 ish yards and the 30-06 out to 375 with no issue whatsoever. Also doesn't hurt that those are the most accurate loads that I have found in my rifles.
     
  7. JimKirk

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    Out of five bucks killed this past season ....four were with Barnes....three with 80 grain TTSX in .243 Win.and the other was a 110 grain TTSX in 7-08 .... the farthest went 20 steps ....
     
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