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Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by flyingfeathers, Feb 10, 2013.

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  1. flyingfeathers

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  2. JVaughn

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    Maybe we should leave all that lead in the mines, where it isn't harming the Earth for some reason.
     
  3. Sam1911

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    Folks, we do try to be civil here, remember?

    If you have an answer, answer politely like a gentleman.

    If you have an insult -- go shout it at a mirror.
     
  4. LordDunsany

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    Well, steel shot is supposedly less harmful, but unfortunately, is much less effective for bird hunting - less energy per projectile, shorter effective range etc.

    So maybe you can make the 'feathers fly' but you'll have more maimed birds and flyaways.

    No thanks, I'll stick to lead, other than where it is banned by law.
     
  5. flyingfeathers

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    I admit, I really like some the older models such as the Winchester 12. It ruins their barrels. A bit of a conflict with me. I have seen firsthand the effects of lead poisoning to eagles and it's pitiful.
     
  6. Hunterdad

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    I'll stick with lead where legal as well. It gets really old chasing crippled birds all over the place in the boat. I really don't want to be chasing birds in the field.
     
  7. Sam1911

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    Nice thing is that the market has come up with a number of really good alternatives for use in sensitive areas where the lead can affect the eagles. They're pricey, but you don't usually need THAT many shells for a successful day of duck or goose hunting, (and the sports tend to be bloody expensive anyway! :))

    So the issue really is a declining one.
     
  8. oneounceload

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    I stopped waterfowl hunting when lead was outlawed back in the early 80's. I shoot too much at targets to go with something more expensive and not as good for the task at hand
     
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    I could live with it...
     
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    You may have helped restore a little faith that Americans might sacrifice a tiny bit today for the better tomorrow.
     
  11. JohnBT

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    "how many are willing to use lead free shot for all shotgun shooting?"

    I can afford to if it's proven to be necessary for all shotgun shooting. If. There is more to the science of lead than meets the eye.

    I spent the money for Hevi-Shot for many years when I hunted ducks and geese. I wouldn't want to spend that kind of money shooting multiple rounds of clays every week, so steel might have to do.

    I have a question for you. What have you given up; do you shoot only lead-free shot?

    John
     
  12. flyingfeathers

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    Fair question. I don't bird hunt nowadays. If I did again, I would avoid lead shot on upland game. Not interested in waterfowl. On a fishing forum I asked about people's opinions of using a biodegradable line Eagle Claw tried but pulled a few years later. I think it wasn't marketed well as many people I asked about it never saw it but like the idea. If we really value our outdoors, we may have to change some habits of different activities or our concern is in vain.
     
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    I don`t use steel, I try & use Bismuth when I am hunting in a lead free zone..............
     
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    Where I shoot, we mine the fields regularly, so the shot is reused again and again - I think that is doing a great job of taking care of the outdoors
     
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    The local trap and skeet range actually requires the use of lead shot. I think they reclaim it.

    A quick google search suggests the next closest trap and skeet range is maybe 80 miles away. Mostly city driving. And I didn't check if they allowed the use of lead free shot either.

    It's also too expensive and I suspect my older full choked shotguns can't safely fire it.
     
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    I can tell you that Hevi-Shot is great for turkey hunting. Kills at 50+ yards multiple times with my SP-10. Gotta pattern you gun to see what it likes. Mine blew out the center of the target at 40 yards.

    As noted, it would be too expensive for a round of clays
     
  17. jmr40

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    The science behind the "evidence" is questionable at best. I use non toxic shotshells for waterfowl because it is required by law. I will continue to use lead for everything else until someone develops something that proves to be cheaper and or better.

    I do somtimes use non-lead big game bullets, not because of environmental concerns, but because in some applications they have poven to be better than lead bullets.
     
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    How do you know it was lead affecting the eagles and not some other compound? Back in the early 70s we saw an eagle - just one - at the swamp where we duck hunted a lot. So did a lot of other people hunt there. I said "don't say anything, they are liable to ban hunting." That place is now lousy with eagles. Up on the river where we goose hunt, and so do tons of other people, there are eagles all over the place and they have been there since well before the lead shot ban. If you cripple a goose they will race you for it. Also, eagles, being carrion eaters and carnivores, do not rely on grit and a craw to digest their food nearly as much as birds that eat seeds and such, so they should be far less liable to the effects of any lead shot. The silly tests on ducks used ducks fed exclusively corn and lead pellets; hardly a real world scene.
    I am afraid that since the environmentalists seem always ready to jump one way at the drop of a hat, I am ready to jump the other way. Just once before I die I would like to meet an "environmentalist" who is FOR something. I'm also afraid there are just too many of us to go out and subsist on nuts and berries with the ghost of Ewell Gibbons.
     
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    They don't know. The science is iffy at best. Meanwhile, we're being challenged - dared even - to change our ways and explain why we're such bad people.

    I'm trying to be polite. :)
     
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    It`s not a big issue with me. They say use steel shot........Ok with me.
     
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    I think I would take the opinions of vets and scientists who work on wildlife and diagnose their health problems to treat them. I'm also a little put out over Americans who complain that their national symbol is increasing their population to thrive when we nearly exterminated them, some Americans in past decades shot them down for no more reason then to watch them drop. I have shot a lot of guns and thrown a lot lead everywhere and realizing the toxic nature of lead prompted me in making some changes in my habits to help prevent further problems.
     
  22. splattergun

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    So... inquiring minds want to know, what do you shoot now?
     
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    That would all depend n who is paying their salaries - if it is the CDC, a major University, or the Federal government, I would have serious doubts about their methods, data, and results - not like they haven't used skewed data and bias slants on things like global warming and other environmental issues.

    If you are that concerned about the environment, does that mean you only ride a horse or bicycle? Auto smog poses a greater risk than all the lead in the world
     
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    I'm starting to look at lead a little differently. I would never argue in favor of a lead free ammo mandate or anything like that, but I'm in the process of switching to completely lead free for all hunting.

    The way I see it, I wouldn't add a few granules of lead dust to my steak or pizza, so why would I do that to my wild game?

    Trace amounts of lead in what a person eats may or may not have a huge effect on a person, but it doesn't sit well with me. I also worry a lot about mercury in fish.
     
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    And we took lead out of paint because ghetto babies were eating the chips. Took years and lots of rusty cars before the paint industry recovered. We are the only country with all the child proof bottles and warning labels out the ying yang on everything. I want to get some bumper stickers made:
    GIVE DARWIN A CHANCE.
     
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