Least useful modern caliber?

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Seems to me I read that Jeff Cooper wrote that if you go to a gun fight with a .25 it should be empty since if you shoot someone with it it may piss them off and they will beat the crap out of you. FRJ

I've personally seen just that. We had a case where the deft. shot a supermarket parking lot attendant 6 times with a .25 because he was asked to move his car.

The rather large attendant took the gun away from the shooter and proceeded to beat the living crap out of him. The attendant was fine and able to testify at trial against the shooter.

Also had a case where someone was shot in the forehead with a .25. The bullet failed to penetrate the skull, and following the contour of the skull, stayed just under the scalp and exited the scalp at the rear of the head.

Someone else here mentioned the 6.5x55 Swede and said it was useless and didn't have great stats.

I would submit that in it's case the stats don't really give the whole picture. It's more effective on game than the stats would lead you to believe, it's seriously accurate, and also low recoil. I think they're all good reasons for it's survival.
 
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There is so much overlap in all cartridges that there are too many useless ones to mention.

Of course the only useless ones are the ones I dont have.
 
The 500 S&W seems pretty useless to me along with an outrageous price tag for both firearm and ammo.

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5.7x28 (the rounds we get, not the AP ones). I just don't see a use for it.
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Absent armor piercing ammunition, an automatic weapon from which to fire it, and an armored target of some sort, it's utterly worthless to me.
 
Hey .25ACP was a fine cartridge until Seecamp redesigned their pistol to use .32 ACP...
 
I personally can do without any cartridge invented in the past 40 years. Many of them seem to have been invented by marketing departments, as they are the latest and greatest thing, when there were other older cartridges which had been doing the same thing for decades, but they weren't "new" and didn't have "sexy" names. Many are answers to questions nobody asked.

I agree that virtually all modern calibers are not necessary, and think that many older ones aren't, either, to tell you the truth. If either 9mm or .45 ACP went away, for example, then the remaining one could get the job done. And do we really need both .308 and .30-06? I guess it depends on how narrowly and harshly one defines "useless" (and that's the word we've been using, despite the carefully chosen words of the OP).

If I were to pick one, though, my vote goes for the latest, the greatest, "rivaling the .357 Magnum", the .327.

;)

Sure, nobody NEEDS it, although it does allow an additional round in small-frame revolvers, so it might not be useless in the harshest sense of the term.

Strange how you defend the .40 yet rag on the .357 SIG.

I defended .40 S&W against a generic argument that could be applied to ANY caliber in existence, useless or otherwise, and gave examples to prove my point that the argument itself was not merely right or wrong but invalid (or incomplete). And while I did provide some favorable points for .40 S&W (which could be applied to .357 SIG if you like), I implied that if anybody could refute those points, then their argument that .40 S&W is useless would be both valid and correct by the standard that I had established.

As for the .357 SIG, I hardly ragged on it. It gives people exactly what was intended: somewhat lightly-loaded (but typical for factory loads) .357 Magnum ballistics in one bullet weight (125 grains)--which is widely considered a well-proven load--for autoloading pistols. Based on this alone, it could be considered a success, although it is true that I did not go out of my way to state this explicitly (until now). This is because I'm not trying to tell people what they should think is useless--I only made an exception for .40 S&W because of the type of argument used against it.

By the way, it should not be "strange" if it seems that I favor one over the other, as I generally favor larger, heavier bullets even if they're slower. They're hardly equivalent even if one is based on the other, and I don't care whether a caliber is new or old, either.

The .357 Sig does what the .40 was supposed to do.

I don't see why that would be true--.40 S&W is essentially a light-loaded 10mm Auto, while the .357 SIG tries to mimic a popular .357 Magnum load. Both have their uses, as well as proponents and detractors.

It is also very flexible in reloading.

Admittedly, I'm no expert on .357 SIG loading, but my understanding is that it can't keep up with .357 Magnum performance with heavier bullets, and I like heavier bullets. If this is incorrect, then you have a point, although I don't feel that I was ragging on it to begin with--somebody else said it was useless and I made comments both for and against. .40 S&W can't keep up either, of course, but I like bigger bullets in general.
 
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Any flavor of the month short magnum.

Ten years from now most of them will no longer exist.
 
The least useful round for me is the .45 acp. From what I've read it's just a slow heavy round with a rainbow trajectory, and mainly created so an old man named jeff cooper could shoot them through overpriced finicky 1911 guns and make fun of all other calibers.
 
Any flavor of the month short magnum.

Most of the WSMs and WSSMs are kind of a silly idea, imho. Except for maybe the 300WSM filling a gap, they appear to be a solution looking for a problem. In fact, I do hearby nominate the 7mmWSM as the single most utterly useless cartridge of all time.
 
I've also never had any respect for anything made in .17 caliber. If you want small and fast why go smaller than .22? I know I'm going to get some hate for this, but I don't see the point in .40.

Hmmmm, where to start. First, the .17HMR absolutely is the best shooting, flatest trajectory small caliber around (at least in my experience). I normally shoot a lot of 22LR, but I have been pining for a .17HMR for some time now. With a good scope and quality rifle, you can plink and sniper down little varmits all day long.

The .40S&W is a great round and was developed primarily due to the aversion in the American market for the 9mm. I shoot both regularly and really prefer the .40S&W between the two, but I don't trash any caliber...period. The market is quite diverse and arms manufacturers respond to market demand. Anything else would be akin to the Henry Ford motto that "people can have any Model T they want so long as it is in black".
 
Anything can be least useful, if not used as it should be...We butchered hogs last year, and forgot to bring a .22, so I grabbed my .38, that was loaded with .38+P aluminum defense rounds, all five shots point blank( I think the hog was injured more from powder burns), and just kinda pissed it off.

Aluminum? :confused: Do you mean the cases or bullets? If you mean bullets with aluminum cores, then I think a basic assumption of this thread is that the most effective loads are used for each caliber.

Went and got the .22, 1 shot deader than 'ell. The .25 is pretty useless, but like before mentioned, I still would rather try one than a knife, if it down down the bad guy, try throwing it...my .02 worth...

Shot placement is always key, but if you don't have adequate penetration, then effective shot placement itself becomes more difficult to achieve. A properly loaded .38 Special+P should expand the total area and probability of effective shot placement over calibers such as .22 LR and .25 ACP. As an illustrative example, if I had a 1/2 chance with one option, I could fail, and if I had a 1/3 chance with another, I could succeed, but I'd take 1/2 over 1/3 any day--and definitely with lead instead of aluminum. :scrutiny:

There is so much overlap in all cartridges that there are too many useless ones to mention.

Right, which is why we tend to get harsh, twisting "less useful" into "useless" and only mentioning calibers that we really dislike; otherwise, we'd have to spend all day making long lists.
 
The 500 S&W seems pretty useless to me along with an outrageous price tag for both firearm and ammo.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head.

.327 needs to hurry up and die too

what about the 308 Marlin? Has the 308 lever gun died off too?
 
There is a lot of overlap in rifle calibers. While I'm not going to call any of them useless, I will say most of them are redundant.
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These are my opinions about rounds that for my particular needs have little use.

The only round I have ever shot and I said, "whatever", is the .223. Don't know why but I find it incredibly useless for me. It's underpowered for long range shots 300+, it's to powerful for small game. Sure it's cheap and that to me is it's only benefit. I would much rather use a 22-250, better all around except for barrel wear, and that can be fixed by handloading.

I also don't have much use for the 17 HMR. Great ballistics but horribly expensive for what you get. The 22 hornet or 223(yes, I know, contradiction) can be reloaded much cheaper and with better ammo. The 22lr is great for plinking but the 17HM2 is 1/3 the cost of 17HMR and only loses 30% ballistics. The 22WMR does not have the flat shooting of the HMR but weighs twice as much and the new ammo is amazing.

The .327 federal is almost useless. However that extra round means a lot and that small energy loss compared to the 357 is not really important at close range.
 
41 action express. You can still find the barrels everywhere for the uzi but no ammo in sight. I will have to say even though I never owned one. a 41 cal on a 9mm case is much brighter than a 25 acp.

5mm rimfire. They reintroduce the round, yet no one decides to make a new firearm for it.
 
.25acp useless? That is like calling a .22 CB useless because it doesn't make a good self defense round. It may only be useless to certain people because of that ONE factor. There are many factors to consider.
If there were no .25acp cartridges, I wouldn't have any to shoot in my many many .25acp pistols! And I LOVE shooting my .25acp pistols.
 
Hey like my .32 mag. nice shiny chrome with a birdshead grip. My preferred carry because i can whip it out and hit a quater at 25 feet. Gotta love it.

Yeah and the .25 is a little useless.

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.25acp useless? That is like calling a .22 CB useless because it doesn't make a good self defense round. It may only be useless to certain people because of that ONE factor. There are many factors to consider.

The thing is that .25 ACP does not do anything that .22 LR does not do equally well or better, and at a far lower cost. The singular exception is that it uses the more reliable centerfire ignition system, which I guess does make it better for self-defense in that way. However, I think that to be considered not so "useless" or redundant to most people, it would need to have a significant ballistic advantage over .22 LR to make it even more useful for self-defense. If it could penetrate more than 13" like .32 ACP can, then maybe .32 ACP would be considered the useless/redundant caliber instead.
 
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.25 acp and the .327.

Rifle-anything that is some sort of "short mag."

Im not convinced that the .45 gap does not have its niche but I could be wrong.

The least useful round for me is the .45 acp. From what I've read it's just a slow heavy round with a rainbow trajectory, and mainly created so an old man named jeff cooper could shoot them through overpriced finicky 1911 guns and make fun of all other calibers.

Thats funny. It has a certain truth to it.
 
Someone else here mentioned the 6.5x55 Swede and said it was useless and didn't have great stats.
Properly handloaded with the right bullets, it is a first rate 1,000 yard target cartridge. And I know that from personal observation.
 
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