Least usefull caliber.

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Sparky, that only proves that 20ga magnum is useless. 16 ga makes WAY more sense than a 20ga magnum. That lengthened 20ga never shoulda even been invented. It's stupid. Same with the 12ga magnum vs. 10ga.
 
While the Saiga .410 may be good, possibly one of the biggest flaw with .410 as a whole is the is the lack of quality guns that shoot it. Most are single shot or low-quality pump guns. And as for the low-recoil argument, what's often lost is the fact that .410's are, in fact, single shot or pump guns with little or no padding that expend their full recoil directly into the shooter's shoulder. A 20 gauge pump with a decent recoil pad has less felt recoil than your average .410, no kick for all effective purposes.

I tell recoil-challenged shooters to get a 20 gauge, not a .410. At least the 20 is all-around effective.
 
Poor old .25 acp is getting a hard time in this thread. I'm not saying I'm a big fan or anything, but I do recognize that it was basically a solution to a mousegun platform question and was probably never intended to be considered in the same breath as a .45 or .357. I used to have a little Beretta 21A, it did what it was supposed to I guess but I started thinking about how much more misfires you get with most .22LR ammo compared to centerfire. At least .25 addresses this. I agree that terminal ballistics in both cases is underwhelming.


Also, with .410 - it has (re-)earned it's place around, it's not a 12 or 20 but again its not supposed to be. You see more of it than 10, 16 or 28 gauge nowadays. That ought to mean something.
 
''Heck, for indoor fun I even load .25 pellets into .25acp shells with primer-only...just for giggles; sort of a ".25 Colibri"

How freakin' cool is that!?
 
7.62x39

I have a live round that I found at the range but I have nothing to chamber it in. Not too useful!

:)
 
We kill snakes with shovels around here...
I suppose .410 does have less recoil, but I reckon .25 has less recoil than .45... doesn't make it better though.
I dare you to name something .410 does better than a 12 gauge.

I'll list most useful rifle cartridges:
.22LR
.243
.30-06

Shotgun:
12

I dare to say you NEED no others for hunting native game in North America.
 
Hey Loomis :neener: :D

I've got nothing against a 16 guage. My son has his grandfathers old Sweet 16 and it is a really good round. My point was the 20 is more versatile since they chambered it for magnum rounds. He hardly ever shoots it, but wears out his 20 870 express that he has had since he was 12.

My other son has a Browning 3.5 inch 12 guage. It has been used for skeet, ducks, squirrel, deer, and turkey. The magnum loads have made some of the intermediate rounds obsolete for the average gun owner that can't afford to buy a different gun for different applications.
 
And if you get a 12 gauge, and don't mind the recoil, you can kill pretty much anything.
Between slugs, buckshot, magnum shells, and birdshot, you can kill pretty much anything with the exception of ridiculously large game.
There is NOT a more versatile firearm than a 12 gauge.
 
I dare you to name something .410 does better than a 12 gauge.
A .410 fits far better into a Taurus Judge revolver cylinder or Bond derringer chamber than a 12ga does.
Hey, you dared us to name something. ;)
 
Wow, I had no idea there were so many .410 fans. I'd never buy one, but I guess all the people that would are why they keep making them. If any caliber works for you, I guess it isn't useless to you. However, It may still be useless to me though:D
 
It is hard to say what round I would pick. There allot of rounds that are unnecessary. A person could make a list of 10 rounds that would cover anything a person would ever need.

I like my .410. I keep mine handy for chicken eating critters. At close range they have plenty of power to do the job without blowing holes in walls. It does have it uses but I can see where, for many, it doesn't.
 
The best response was the one that stated "the least useful caliber is the one you left at home or in the car when your life depends on it".

Revolvers chambered in .38. Not .357, just .38. There's just no point these days, as the .357's are heavier built can take the recoil better.

Not much point in paying the typical premium for a .357 if you ain't gonna use it. My little S&W 642 serves my needs perfectly (I don't do well with small 357s) and it cost a little less than a 640. It is also a tad smaller than the 640 (1 7/8" barrel versus 2 1/8"), so it is a bit better for pocket carry IMO. Plus, there are just too many sweet 38s out their to ignore :) .
 
I could not agree more with ALA DAN. I mean and super close ranges it is ok, I guess, but I would never try to make a head shot with a .25 ACP.:evil:
 
7.62x45? Most people here, probably haven't even heard of it. It's the Czech predecessor of the 7.62x39.

Or the 5.6x39MPS, how many times have you shot a gun underwater?
Or .220 Russian the other 5.6x39mm?

.219 zipper, why?

All of the short magnums.

.256 Newton?

.250-3000 Savage?

5.6x50mmR and 5.6x50mm Magnum?

.32Rimfire or .25Rimfire?





Or...

.22lr to small for anything

.17HMR not .22Magnum
.22Magnum not .17HMR

.22Hornet extinct
.222Remington Not .223Remington

5.56x45NATO/.223Remington too small for combat
7.62x39 Trajectory of a rainbow

.30-30Whinchester Too old
.307Whinhester not .308Whinchester
.308Marlin Express Not .307 Winchester

.30TC Copy of .308Whinchester
.308Whinchester Copy of .300Savage
.300Savage Copy of the 30-06Springfield
30-06Springfield copy of the .30-40Krag
.30-40Krag too small compared to the .45-70Government

.45-70Government Too much recoil
.45-75WCF The oldest short magnum?

.25ACP Too small
.32ACP Too small
.380ACP Not 9mm
9mm .45ACP set on stun
.40S&W .40 Short and Weak
10mm It's been about to be extinct, for the past 20 years
.45GAP *** Glock?
.45ACP Fat slow and old



Why do we even bother?

When we have the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer!
 
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