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Leaving Dr.'s office and got nailed with gun questions-Whats going on here?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by DustyVermonter, May 18, 2010.

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  1. DustyVermonter

    DustyVermonter Member

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    Went to the Doctor for routine check-up and before I left he pulls out a file with all kinds of Gun questions on a checklist-Are there guns in the home,where do you keep them,do you keep ammunition in the home,where do you keep that,are they locked away,do you keep them together or do you keep them seperate,do you keep any of them loaded,Etc....Caught me off guard,what's that all about?Any ideas? Sounds kinda fishy, don't really know what to make of that. Ummmmm hmmm well.... Pretty much don't like it
     
  2. AirForceShooter

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    I lie.
    It's got nothing to do with my health.

    And let's face it anything your doc knows a whole lot of people know.

    AFS
     
  3. D Boone

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    I would feel pretty weird also. If you have been seeing him a long time that could be tricky, but otherwise find a new Dr. I guess you could always just tell him its none of his business. Either way thats pretty messed up, but I have heard of this happening before.
     
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  5. max popenker

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    There's doctors and doctors.

    Just today, doc spotted an NAA Guardin pin on my jacket... we ended up discussing current gun laws and advantages of the pump-action shotguns over semi-autos for home defense scenarios (doc was inclined toward less-lethal loadings, such as rubber buckshot)

    ;)
     
  6. Walkalong

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    Don't answer at all. It has nothing to do with your health care......for now.....

    Politely avoid the questions and go.
     
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    If DustyVermonter is indeed in Vermont, I thought it was almost a State Law that you had to own a gun.

    Wondering if this is something the Insurance Company pushed for or is it a State requirement?

    Seems a little early to be a part of the Obamacare program.
     
  8. JoeMal

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    That seems out of this world that a doctor would ask you that....

    Were you OC at the time? How did he know you were into guns? Or is that 'standard procedure' with all patients? *** I'm seriously confused...did this really happen??

    I would laugh at my doctor if he asked me these questions

    Unless I walk in with a gunshot wound, probing gun questions should not be the topic of discussion in the doctors office
     
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  9. CajunBass

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    I saw that one time. I simply wrote "None of your concern" and gave it back. Never heard of it again.
     
  10. alsaqr

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    Some of those doctors do surveys for organizations like the New England Journal of Medicine. No medical journal has had anything good to say about guns or gunowners.

    Just refuse to play the Dr's. silly games.
     
  11. mrokern

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    A simple, "Sorry, none of your business." suffices for me. I won't ever tell them anything about non-health issues.

    -Mark
     
  12. DustyVermonter

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    Nah, I wasn't oc, I did have an LCP in my back pocket and it could have shown thru but it seemed pretty standard operating procedure...for him anyway.
     
  13. 22-rimfire

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    +1 Mrokern.

    Stuff your doctor knows affects your health insurance rates. Trust me I know. So, I don't provide any non-critical information anymore.
     
  14. Special_K

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    As a nursing student (Going for my BSN), perhaps I can weigh in on this a little.

    While I don't personally believe information pertaining to firearms and the storage of those firearms the questions your doctors ask you may very well pertain to a situation. The assessments we are trained to do, as far as nurses go, pertains to a holistic view point. We not only try to treat the body, but often the mind, and the soul too.


    What I'm trying to get at is, ask your doctor why he needs this information. If he doesn't give you a good answer don't tell him. Any good doctor should not take this personally in the slightest.
     
  15. shockwave

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    Ease up, guys. No Big Brother involved. And alsaqr has the right idea - this is about epidemiology. Physicians are increasingly looking at health risk factors and some consider firearms to be a indicator of statistical risk.

    Here's an example of the kind of study the doctor in question was probably participating in. This passage explains the reasoning:

    According to that report, the number of households owning firearms is on the decline, but there is a countertrend of those owning guns to own more than one. Personally, I do not dispute the statistic that says that having a firearm in my home increases my risk of a gun-related injury (or death). The same applies for my owning a chainsaw. If I do not own a chainsaw, my risk of a chainsaw accident will perforce be far lower.

    So, personally speaking, I'm a safety fanatic with my weapons and handle them with extreme care. But I cannot control my neighbors' behavior and if some of them are foolish or careless, they may suffer a ND (or worse) and might add to the statistics of household injuries. It's logical, then, that physicians take an interest in this area because ultimately they have to clean up the damage caused by irresponsible owners (and criminals) and statistical data can help them formulate health policy.

    It could be the case that some of them will advocate for a reduction in the number of firearms to thereby reduce risk. That's a given. But that's not the entire picture. Some will be advocating for increased education, training and other things that may, statistically, lead to better outcomes. Demographic data on ownership can help hospitals and ERs to better plan for the kinds of resources they'll need to provide adequate levels of service. Given their mission, it would be negligent for physicians to ignore the causal factors of firearm injuries.

    After all, a lot of people here talk about popping goblins, feeding bullets to bad guys, "ending the threat," etc., but if you do shoot someone who doesn't die as a result (including yourself), you'll be giving a doctor a rough day at the office.
     
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    shockwave;

    So if that is the case, why couldn't the doctor explain that? I MIGHT be more prone to reveal some information if I knew it was for the better of society...if it were going to mean better resources at the hospital etc etc.

    But to just pull out a clipboard and start asking me 'What kind of guns do you own? What kind of ammo do you own? Do you keep your guns loaded?' seems a little fishy and honestly a stab at my privacy.
     
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    Telling them "None of your business" is the same as saying "Yes, I have guns in my house".

    Airforceshooter has the right idea. "Guns? Nah, I don't keep none of those." Right answer. I don't feel bad lying to people who are asking questions that are none of their business.
     
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    Tell him "no, but I have lots of knives and a couple of Ninja swords"
     
  19. shockwave

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    No idea. I just know from my line of work that this kind of thing is going on, and that's why they're doing it. What your particular doctor was doing I can't say. You might ask him, next time.
     
  20. JoeMal

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    Well it wasn't me that this happened to, I was just curious. You would think if it was some sort of research, they would mention it. Any good research study informs its subjects of what exactly their answers/responses will pertain to. Like I said, going from 'So how have you been feeling lately? Taking any new medications? How many guns do you own?' seems strange and no so much research related. But that's an opinion
     
  21. hso

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    Did you ask your physician why he was asking the questions?

    Did he tell you why he was asking the questions?

    Was it for a study and who was the study for?

    Keep in mind that the only way we'll every see studies accurately reflect that there's no significant risk associated with firearms possession or storage and handling is if we contribute to those studies.
     
  22. JoeMal

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    hso;

    While you are correct, they are taking a terrible approach if that is the case. Nobody will respond to such probing, nonchalant questions like that.

    As mentioned, any reputable researcher would know that informing your subjects of the entire process is the proper way to research. "I am collecting X data for Y reasons. You have the right to answer, or not answer, any questions that you would like. The data will be collected, analyzed, and discussed in Z ways (either for an article, publication, government data, hospital data etc etc)
     
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    Do they not have the words "**** off" in Vermont?

    Though people here are friendly and polite, we do hold those words in reserve for those who ask questions like that.
     
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    I should adopt that policy, but I always answer the question honestly.

    It's always on my company's insurance "health assessment" questionnaire. I always end up "needing improvement" on the personal safety section. There's never really any explanation as to why. I don't really care enough about it to ask, honestly.
     
  25. 7.62 Nato

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    This has nothing to do with medical treatment and is none of their business. This is compiling data. Why do medical "professionals" want to compile firearm data ? There must be something in it for them or they wouldn't be doing it. Just look at all the "studies" that show the "dangers" of keeping a firearm in the home. The "increased" risks of "murder", suicide, DV, firearm theft.

    I don't trust them one bit.
     
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