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Leaving your gun in your car. Do you?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by G27, Sep 20, 2003.

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  1. G27

    G27 Member

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    I have to leave my gun locked in my car often. I don't like it but I have little choice when I'm out of state and can't or when I am not allowed to carry it with me at all times.

    Be honest, how many of you have to also?
     
  2. BamBam

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    I do.
    I felt uneasy about leaving my Glock or S&W J-frame but I don't worry too much about my Kel-Tec P-32 or P-3AT.
    My van is usually such a mess that I can hide them pretty well. Usually in an old McDonald's bag or the like.
     
  3. OF

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    Yup. I keep one in the truck all the time. So I'll usually have my carry gun on me and the truck gun in there when I'm out and about. The truck gun also has a carry holster and spare mag with pouch too, in case I find myself in the truck without my carry gun, there's a spare rig available.

    - Gabe
     
  4. Hkmp5sd

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    There are only two occasions I am forced to leave my gun in the car. One is a work, inside a fenced in parking lot with security guards. The other is at the Post Office, although sometimes I do forget to remove it before entering. :)
     
  5. AK103K

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    You can legally carry in the post office. :)
     
  6. 10-Ring

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    I used to, but not anymore.
     
  7. G27

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    The reason I asked

    is that I don't consider leaving it my car very much different than leaving them in my house. Whats the difference? Do we all own metal Remington gun safes? No.

    I have to so I do. I can't take it thru some business security gates without hiding it and risking my business and work.

    I can't always carry it into places that serve alcohol.

    In some states when I'm not at home in PA where I can carry most places,
    the law says I can't take it with me. So it has to stay somewhere. The car it is.

    Is the car really any different than leaving them in the house?

    They can be stolen from both locations. Correct?

    I don't like it either, but I'm not completely sure why. Its seems to be the same thing.
     
  8. Mark Tyson

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    Don't they make some kind of portable strong box that can be put in yuor car? Maybe they could even make a safe compartment built into the car.

    Hmm ... maybe I could build one and sell it to all you CCW holders! LOL
     
  9. AK103K

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    Sometimes you just have to lock them in the truck and deal with it. Its not like your leaving it out on the seat with the windows down.
     
  10. G27

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    I agree

    I agree AK103K and thats what I do. I deal with it.
    Thanks all.

    As to car safes. If the car is stolen, so is the safe & the gun. There are many on the market. It may make it less likely to be found if its hidden well though. They make safes for houses also and guns get stolen out of houses all the time.
     
  11. Hot brass

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    AK103K ?

    I am under the impression that it illegal to carry in a FED Post Office? Am I wrong, and why?
     
  12. WonderNine

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    I understand that it's legal if you have a CCW permit unless there are any state laws against carrying into a government building. I don't pay much attention to that type of stuff anyways. Nobody is gonna see the gun unless it's needed so....
     
  13. AK103K

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    Hot brass,
    check here, and on packing.org when its back up, they have info on it too.

    http://www.ksrpa.org/guns/post_office.htm

    This is the main section that no one tells you about. Funny how they always leave it out of the signs, eh. This also applys to most other places you are always told you cant carry, at least in PA anyway. That "other lawful purposes" clause is in most all of them. It pays to read the actual laws on the books, you would be amazed at what you are told and what is the truth.


    18 US Code Section 930

    Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

    (b)

    Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

    (c)

    A person who kills or attempts to kill any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, and 1113.

    (d)



    Subsection (a) shall not apply to -

    (1)

    the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;

    (2)

    the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or

    (3)

    the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
     
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    I have never got a definitive answer on whether or not a CCW meets the exceptions of this statute, so I leave the gun in the car. In my opinion, a CCW meets the "lawful purposes" clause. The post office I use has "no guns" signs mounted everywhere and I have no desire to be the test case on the issue.
     
  15. G27

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    I think

    most state laws also say if there are signs posted you can't carry or you break state law as well. At least in PA you would. I don't carry in a post office because its a Fed building and as mentioned I don't want to be the test case either.
     
  16. AK103K

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    Hkmp5sd,
    The law is the law and 18 US Code Section 930 subsection (d) (3) is the law, right from the register. The signs control the masses who follow them blindly. Maybe if more of us read the actual laws, we would once again be a free country. But then again, there is a football game on now, right? ;)
     
  17. AK103K

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    The signs are not law, they are just signs. If they dont quote the actual law, they are just a sign with no authority. You obey them because you have been taught to obey them. If the sign has authority, it will quote the law and you can look it up and verify it. If the law is quoted and its valid, the sign is then valid, if not its just a sign! I think this is a lot of the reason why we contine to go downhill, we never question authority, and accept what we are told without question.
     
  18. Hkmp5sd

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    Yea, I read them all the time. Although, sometimes my interpretation isn't the same as that of the government.

    The ultimate question is, does a postal employee going "Postal" meet the exception for hunting on federal property?
     
  19. AK103K

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    As long as he has the proper STAMP. :D
     
  20. Standing Wolf

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    Next time I go to the post office, I won't leave the gun in my car, since it's obvious my carrying falls under the "other lawful purposes" rubric.
     
  21. Ala Dan

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    Absolutely Not ! :(

    This is a very bad idea to say the least. In my 20+ years
    as a former LEO, I've known of perp's using a weapon
    stolen from a vechile against other persons; including
    the owner of the weapon. Each time you exit a vechile,
    I suggest removing your weapon. If this is not possible,
    such as before entering a government building, airport,
    etc; then secure your weapon in the trunk.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
  22. Mannlicher

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    I leave a gun in a locked car all the time. Whats the big deal?
     
  23. G27

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    I have to ask Ala Dan

    what is the difference between leaving it in your car whether its in the trunk or locked in the glove box etc., versus leaving it in your home in the gun cabinet when your not there?

    Are there stats that show more thefts from cars than home?

    Just wondering.
     
  24. JPM70535

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    I purely hate it when I have to leave my firearm in the car. Like most of us I try to keep the occasions when this is necessary to a minimum. I avoid places where carrying is not legal, as much as is possible. The one exception is the Post Office, sometimes going there is unavoidable. In the past I have sometimes forgotten I am carrying and completed my business while armed. These incidents are few and far between as I believe the signs mean what they infer and I do not intend to be the test case as to the actual law. I am never overly concerned when I do forget , because as I have always maintained, (CONCEALED MEANS CONCEALED) and if so then no one need ever know.
     
  25. Ala Dan

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    Greeting's G-27

    In todays society to top notch security systems, security bars
    on doors and windows of the home, land sharks, and nosey
    neighbors; I feel that in most instances homes are a
    lot more secure than vechiles. Quite naturally, it takes a lot
    more effort for a thief to pop a trunk; than it does to smash
    a window and steal your favorite firearm. I forget the exact
    number of seconds for auto burglars to expedite their art;
    but rest assured its really quick! And whats to say, if the
    perp gains entry into your vechile; what is going to keep
    him/her from trying your home?

    Quite obviously a lot of members on this forum have not
    had experience in dealing with perp's high on some of
    todays substances? With that said, I recall one incident
    where a victim was being held hostage by a perp high on
    PCP; and he had stolen the victims handgun in a B&E of
    her car only minutes before. On orders from several police
    officers to drop the gun; the perp raised the weapon as
    if to fire at the SWAT commander. At this very moment,
    the victim broke free and hit the deck face down; at
    which time a SWAT team member fired a round of 00
    buck, killing the perp instantly.

    So, I believe in keeping the odds in my favor; as I will
    NEVER leave a firearm in a vechile.

    Best Wishes,
    Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member
     
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