Lee PPM vs Lee Deluxe PPM

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I have the standard PPM, I had two until I had an accident moving one and dropped it which broke around where it mounts to the stand. I've liked them well enough for flake powders, but any fine powders they struggle, something I'm sure a lot of powder measures do. I like having two powder measures because two is one, one is none and for times where I have already set the measure for a certain powder and charge that I may do for another caliber in a week or so, I put a note on it and push it off to the side and use the other measure for a new load.

Since I've never had the Deluxe PPM and know the struggles the standard one has with some powders, I'm considering getting the Deluxe PPM. I'd like to know from those who have or had one how they do with fine powders like Accurate #9 and Titegroup,
 
I'm considering getting the Deluxe PPM. I'd like to know from those who have or had one how they do with fine powders like Accurate #9 and Titegroup,
Just received my Deluxe PPM yesterday and have Accurate #2 and Titegroup. I was planning to do comparison drops with W231/HP-38, Promo, H335 and BL-(C)2 and will post my findings compared to old PPM and C-H 502 micrometer measure.
 
Just finished watching a nearly 40 minute review on the Deluxe PPM. Three advantages it appears to have over the PPM is it fits a larger robust base like those sold for RCBS Uniflow. The metal base is machined to good tolerances so the stock rotating drum is a tight fit to the base, and ability to tighten / snug it in tight is greater, plus if you do, longer handle gives more leverage to overcome any friction of drum rotating on the base. End result is leakage is nill to none.....at least according to that reviewer. The stock drum can also be replaced by a variable volume drum set, so can get down to very small powder throws of good accuracy. And lastly, it appears the red plastic open top hopper off a PPM can still be used in place of closed up jar or powder bottle, both of which look and sound good, but are actually less functional.

But what I'm hoping to find from LiveLIfe is if leakage of those fine grained powders.....both thru the drum and by the powder in that hangs in the drop tube.....is eliminated.
 
Also, as to leaking regular PPM, Lee suggests a break in involving running at least 1 pound of powder thru the measure to get drum rotating inside the cone to wear in to mate by knocking down any high spots. Perfecting the imperfect mating of drum and cone. Also suggests use of powdered graphite to speed that up. The Internet thinks you can do better by using some type of lapping compound to do the same. Idea is the two rubbing together will wear down to draw up tight with no gap. Normal recommended abrasive lapping compoound is valve grinding paste. To test it on one of my PPM's, I didn't have the valve paste, but did have JB Bore paste, a lapping compound. I slathered it up, screwed it up snug and cycled it about 50 times. After cleaning it up, ran both AA#7 and True Blue thru it and it does seem to have helped it with both. Still leaking a bit, but not nearly as much as before. And now not having to run it so snugged down you can barely move the handle. At least with the super fine powders. With big flakes and sticks, was never an issue for me.
 
Also, as to leaking regular PPM, Lee suggests a break in involving running at least 1 pound of powder thru the measure to get drum rotating inside the cone to wear in to mate by knocking down any high spots. Perfecting the imperfect mating of drum and cone. Also suggests use of powdered graphite to speed that up. The Internet thinks you can do better by using some type of lapping compound to do the same. Idea is the two rubbing together will wear down to draw up tight with no gap. Normal recommended abrasive lapping compoound is valve grinding paste. To test it on one of my PPM's, I didn't have the valve paste, but did have JB Bore paste, a lapping compound. I slathered it up, screwed it up snug and cycled it about 50 times. After cleaning it up, ran both AA#7 and True Blue thru it and it does seem to have helped it with both. Still leaking a bit, but not nearly as much as before. And now not having to run it so snugged down you can barely move the handle. At least with the super fine powders. With big flakes and sticks, was never an issue for me.
No, it makes sense that the drum and cone would need to be mated together and to achieve that proper fit would require some amount of material removal.

I think that may be worth getting a regular PPM just to try it. My solution for using fine powders has been the Auto Disk as the design isn't based on a rotating drum, it's more a sliding scoop. However, I'm limited with what presses I can use it on.
 
Decided to get my own Deluxe PPM. Arrived yesterday and this is my first impression.

On the shelf above my loading bench is a RCBS Uniflow, and under that are a pair of Lee regular PPMs. The Deluxe falls between them. Not as big or robust as the Uniflow, but far above the regular plastic PPM. Should mention that for anything other than very fine pistol powders, I have no complaint with regular PPM. Despite the simple plastic appearance, the littel PPM works and works well. Very accurate and in terms of easy of use, runs circles around the big robust Uniflow.

Now for the good stuff. The Deluxe uses same cone and drum design as base PPM, except both now made out of a cast brass alloy, with mating surfaces machined and lightly polished. If you follow the break in procedure, they polish up even more. Granted has only seen limited break in use, but so far, no leaking of powders. Either thru the drum or from powder retained in drop tube to fall out on it's own.

As with PPM, the Deluxe measure tube has 1/2" diameter and both are calibrated in cubic centimeters to 0.01 cc accuracy, which for most powders equates to 0.1 grain per 0.01 cc, so makes it easy to dial in drops or changes. PPM tops out around 4cc, same as the largest Lee dipper, which in my set is 4.4cc. But while Deluxe is same diameter, it is twice as long, measuring 8cc, which is an obscene amount of powder. So Deluxe as is with brass drum should be as accurate as the regular PPM, and when I set it to go for 5.0 grains of Unique, it did 10 drops in a row that were virtually identical. The also offer a set of optional or supplemental plastic drums......the set comes with 2 small drums and 2 larger ones. More like 2 short drums and 2 longer ones. The hole in those have a smaller diameter of about 7/16" vs. 1/2" on the regulars, so in theory are going to be more accurate with small drops of fine powders. They also allow you to have individual drums dedicated to a particular load, so once calibrated for a favorite load, you don't have to change anything. Swap them in and out as needed. For some reason, the plastic drums have a rougher machining. Actual fine grooves left on the mating surface of the drum vs. the slick surface on the regular PPM. They will require some break in, but perhaps that is also by design? I don't know and Lee's instructions didn't say.

One thing I didn't care for was the powder bottle that ships with the Deluxe. Comes in two parts........a clear plastic screw on bottle and a red plastic base. Fill the bottle, screw it to the base, invert it, install it and twist it to turn powder drop on. Contrary to what you may find on the Internet, the powder hoppers on regular PPM do not fit the Deluxe. The base mount design is different. Having seen both, my preference is the old style red plastic hoppers with lid that you can open, so can drop powder back in the hopper during calibration runs. Can't do that with the bottle the Deluxe ships with. But the red base has same threads used on most 1 pound powder bottles, so in theory you can screw the base onto a bottle of AA#5, or Longshot or Varget or Green Dot, and go to town. The bottle the powder shipped in is now your hopper. Can't see the level, but that may not matter. If this is a deal breaker........there appears to be a fix. While it doesn't ship with one, there is a red plastic hopper that works just like the regular PPM, but will fit on the Deluxe. It has a Lee part number, so can be ordered from a variety of sources, including ebay sellers. It costs about $15 to $20.

The Deluxe doesn't come with a base as the PPM does. It will fit an existing base (like that for the Uniflow or others), or can be fitted out to mount on a press, or they also sell a base to match. The base is something like 3/16 metal, and is heavy, but will still lift off your bench if you snug down the drum. In fact, instructions for the plastic drums say the correct setting for snugness is tight enough the base is on verge of going airborne. I have the base and I'm clamping it down, which makes it solid as a rock and stays where you put it.

So in conclusion........on balance, a much better quality product, but in most cases, the regular little plastic PPM is going to do the same thing for about 20% of the cost of a Deluxe.
 
Very nice review. Thank you
I have all the Lee powder measures. I used the PPM for years, never had an issue. I found it dropped stick powder better than my RCBS UniFlow (dual drums)
I agree with you about the hopper. I bought a new Auto Drum for my LCT just to have as a back up and found the new powder hopper was PITA. I wrote Lee s when I bought it from Midway it still showed the red hopper. The would not exchange it.
Another Lee innovation, like changing the hand primer from the round to the triangle!:barf:
 
OK, red replacement hopper for Deluxe showed up. <edited> It did not include the little black part, which is require to mount it to the base, and is part of the on / off valve. So had to pull it off the OEM bottle setup. So if you want to use both, or use the red base on a powder bottle, you will need a 2nd black piece, or swap them back and forth. Nothing is ever easy.


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My origional PPM leaked with fine propellants when new. I immediately got some Mothets Mag Polish and coated the cone surfaces. Spent about 3 hours rotating the drum and reapplying the MMP. After this the measure did not leak and a slight dusting of powdered graphite let me use it virtually leak free. Some years ago I gave it to another reloader that was just starting out and he has never complained of leaks either.
The updated one looks like a much better unit. Waiting to see how it pans out.
 
There was one other aspect of using either PPM that bears repeating. Lee publishes their VMD tables........which is based on formula.....

cc / grains = VMD

While Lee publishes one for each powder, they also encourage you to develop your own using same formula. They suggest you set the PPM to exactly 4.00 cc's, then weigh the drop or better yet, drops, then average them. Then get out a sharpie pen and right that on the bottle. Then when you want to to drop a specific load.......say 6.1 grains of Power Pistol........multiply that factor x 6.1 and it will tell you what the cc setting on the PPM ought to be. It will be very close, if not spot on. No need to trial and error the thing. A big feature of these powder measures that almost nobody uses cause they don't know about it.
 
One thing I didn't care for was the powder bottle that ships with the Deluxe. Comes in two parts........a clear plastic screw on bottle and a red plastic base. Fill the bottle, screw it to the base, invert it, install it and twist it to turn powder drop on. Contrary to what you may find on the Internet, the powder hoppers on regular PPM do not fit the Deluxe. The base mount design is different. Having seen both, my preference is the old style red plastic hoppers with lid that you can open, so can drop powder back in the hopper during calibration runs.

That's what they use on the AutoDrum now. I see no advantage and three or four disadvantages. So glad I bought my AutoDrums before they did that. At least they have kept the open top hopper on the AutoDisks... for now.
 
I've never had the Deluxe PPM ... I'd like to know from those who have or had one how they do with fine powders like Accurate #9 and Titegroup,
Just received my Deluxe PPM yesterday and have Accurate #2 and Titegroup. I was planning to do comparison drops with W231/HP-38, Promo, H335 and BL-(C)2 and will post my findings
Did my initial 50 drops with W231/HP-38 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-perfect-powder-measure.922834/#post-12710974

Will do Titegroup tomorrow.
 
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