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Also Liberals need to take a dose of their own medicine. They scream separation of Church and State but they love the liberal Churches that believe using the force of goverment to supply welfare programs is a dictate from GOD. Look for a lot of Liberal Gospel speech in the next Presidental election. It will be funny to watch.. After all they have been getting lessions from a Berkley lingulist on how to frame their plans in Religious speek.. I don't think anyone who has read the Bible will believe it though. Kerry tried with his Book of James references and it sounded ridiculous. :rolleyes:
 
"Jefferson was a Democrat."

Mr. Jefferson was a member of the Democratic-Republican Party. He referred to himself as a Republican - as did others. The use of Democrat/Democratic Party by others came many, many years later.

FWIW, the other party in his day was the Federalist Party.

Mr. Jefferson was no Democrat and certainly not like the ones running around today.

A little Virginia history goes a long way.

John
 
Mr. Jefferson was a member of the Democratic-Republican Party
The D-R's later shortened the name to "Democrats".
 
Wow, are you kidding?
Zen21Tao,

I'm not kidding anybody. I've prosecuted more child sex crimes than anybody I know. I'm a liberal. I know who gives money and who shows up at the fundraisers and who doesn't. I know who actually does the work to help victims of child sex crimes. By and large, the forensic interviewers who draw the information out of the kids are liberals. I know who starts the child advocacy centers. Again, liberals. I know the physicians and psychotherapists who treat the children. Again, liberals. I know the child psychologists who recommend the passage of laws to allow kids to testify via closed circuit tv (ONE MORE TIME; SAY IT WITH ME: LIBERALS).
And I know the person most likely to be a Republican is the child molester's defense attorney.
THIS IS MY JOB. IT IS WHAT I DO. DO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS AT ALL?
 
By and large, the forensic interviewers who draw the information out of the kids are liberals. I know who starts the child advocacy centers. Again, liberals. I know the physicians and psychotherapists who treat the children. Again, liberals. I know the child psychologists who recommend the passage of laws to allow kids to testify via closed circuit tv (ONE MORE TIME; SAY IT WITH ME: LIBERALS).

I appreciate the hard and necessary work that is being done, thanks to all of you.

All your statement above proves is that it is liberals who are most likely to hold a government job. No big surprise there, liberals suckling at the teat of big government and feeling morally superior about it, no surprise at all.
 
Ron, my post was in response to a moral attack on liberals as being pro-criminal and anti-law enforcement. Then when I set the facts straight, you come back with:

All your statement above proves is that it is liberals who are most likely to hold a government job. No big surprise there, liberals suckling at the teat of big government and feeling morally superior about it, no surprise at all.

Get a clue. Most of the people I mentioned: the forensic interviewers, the psychologists, the doctors, the prosecutors, could all make alot more money in the private sector. Most of them turn down offers that include raises of pay of several times their salary.
Experts in these cases recommend a person spend no more than 3 years in this field because of the irreparable pyschological harm it does to you to deal with kids who are sexually tortured. Basically, you end up with secondary post traumatic stress disorder. The problem is there aren't enough qualified people to do the work, and you know that if you leave, the work won't get done.
What ends up happening is that folks do this stuff for 10 years or more before burning out and then they go into private practice. The prosecutors usually go into civil practice, or go into federal prosecution. I turned down a number of civl offers to go federal. As soon as I got here they asked me to go after child predators on the internet (like the stuff you see on Dateline NBC). Which I know you could give a rat's a$$ about based on your last post. But you should realize that most folks doing this kind of work have turned down offers of triple their salary to stay in public service. Its not so they can have an easy life on the public teat, either. I tried 16 murder trials my last year in my former job. How much do you think I would have made doing that for the other side? Do you think the cops (like our moderator Jeff) do this job because they love being on the public teat? I guarantee you he could make a killing as an insurance investigator working for a big company. Instead, he has his calling (at least from what I can glean from his posts here; I've never met him). Maybe you should deal with reality a little more and rhetoric a little less. Do you even know anybody who does this stuff?
 
Ron, my post was in response to a moral attack on liberals as being pro-criminal and anti-law enforcement.

And being in your position I understand where you are coming from. Like I said it is a hard job dealing with what you have to see.

My post was a reaction to the insinuation that liberals are doing all the hard lifting in this arena. As a liberal I think you fall in to the trap that if it isn't being done by the government it isn't being done.

You are the expert so I won't argue the point with you any longer.

Your strident and condescending dismissal of conservatives is what set me off, not unlike the response you had to the "moral attack on liberals as being pro-criminal and anti-law enforcement" statement.

My only real experience in this area is second hand from my cousin(s) who has adopted four children from bad backgrounds as you describe.
 
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