Legal Means of SD?

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Hi THR members,

I just got done being lectured by a THR member about how terrible of a person I am because I asked about ways of CCW and now I know that legally I cannot carry a gun (underaged). Anyways I was curious to what other options are out there. I didn't put this in the non weapons section becuase I thought maybe there was someway somehow that I could have one say in arms reach or whatever.


Thanks

BTW I am in Phoenix, AZ if it makes a difference.
 
I just got done being lectured by a THR member about how terrible of a person I am because I asked about ways of CCW and now I know that legally I cannot carry a gun (underaged).
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For the sake of clarity, you were lectured because you claimed to already possess a concealed carry permit despite the fact that you're only 15.

You have also claimed that both you and your father have had "adult handgun classe's (sic) and law enforcement training" but that despite this, you don't know your local or state laws with regard to carrying a firearm in public. Anyone who's been to even a rudimentary defensive pistol course should have learned how the laws apply to them, or at least have been made aware of resources for finding out the legalities of personal defense and firearms.

It's clear that you don't have nearly the experience that you claim. We're all here to learn, but if you don't drop the wannabe facade and start listening to what others with more experience have to say it's likely to do you no good and result in many people being angry with you.
 
haha once again I DO NOT have a permit. My dad does but does not CCW. Also you would understand the rest if you read some of the PM's he sent. Moving on ---- any comments on legal means???
 
Makes me wonder about the rest of the posts?

BTW if you edit it it will show the true nature of your character.

Everyone here has done and said some stupid stuff at the age of 15. That doesnt make them bad people. It is not how bad you screw up, it is how you learn and recover from said screw up. Unless you repeat said screw ups.

Man up, you said it, (I checked) apologize and get on with life. Its not the end of the world.

This is coming from someone who has gone a round or 2 with a moderator or 3.:eek:

This is a private forum (someone else's house) respect their wishes on how they expect their guests to behave.
 
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At 15 you have no known way of carrying a gun or having one within reach. Unfortunately for you the only way to measure maturity level on a grand scale is by age. I happen to know a young man (my son) who I would have trusted to obtain his ccw at the age of 16 because of his maturity. However, I also know many 30+ year olds whose maturity level would preclude them obtaining a permit but their age allows them to do so. Don't try to grow up too fast. Your day will come. Go shooting with adults, learn safety and chose wisely.
 
Is there anyway that I can change it? Please let me know or can you just close the thread completely?


Thanks
 
You can go back and edit the post as you wish, and since I'm about to log off for the weekend, it's unlikely that I would be able to restore the original from backup until Monday.

But that is neither here nor there.

The bottom line is that you lied to everyone on this forum, and when caught and confronted with your lie, you offered neither a reason nor an apology.

In fact, all of your actions have shown that you don't quite understand the depth of your transgression, and that rather than making with the contrition you simply wish to pretend as if your lies were never spoken in the first place.

While you're certainly not the first, nor will you be the last liar to post on this forum, you've easily marked yourself as either one of the most brazen or clueless.
 
Questions from 15-year olds about self defense are....difficult to consider.
 
I understand, but you never know. Why do you have the right to self defense but I don't? Isn't that what we stand up against? Let me guess, it's different!
 
IIRC, in Vermont, some 16 year olds may be allowed to concealed carry, but as for Arizona... well, it's a fairly free state, so you may be able to openly carry at the age of 18. Check AZ state gun laws at the NRA's site.
 
I understand, but you never know. Why do you have the right to self defense but I don't? Isn't that what we stand up against? Let me guess, it's different!
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I've said nothing of the sort, and you're attempting to obfuscate the matter. Nowhere have I claimed that you do not have a right to self defense. Or even self defense with a firearm.

However, given your conduct on this forum, at this point I'm hard pressed to see how you could possibly possess the maturity to properly handle lethal force.

Had you appeared on the board, representing yourself as you truly are (a fifteen year old with an interest in shooting and learning about self defense) we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.
 
Why questions can only be answered by those who create the laws.

My presumption is that most 15/16 year olds are not mature enough to make a life & death decision in a split second. Shoot many who are a lot older don't have that level of maturity.

I am sure that in AZ you are not legal to do much of anything, ie: drive, vote, serve in the military and certainly not able to purchase alcohol.

You are under the charge of an adult, who has been given the job of protecting you.

You have the right to self defense, just not with a firearm (outside of the home).
 
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Is there anyway that I can change it? Please let me know or can you just close the thread completely?
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You mean this thread or the other one?

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Hello everyone!
I am a CCW holder and need to find a way to conceal my glock m-22 .40 S&W wearing cowboy clothing i.e - tucked in button down shirt, wrangler jeans, boots etc. any suggestions?
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Or maybe this...

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Thanks for the help everyone! I have decided on wearing my Glock in the winter on my waistband and putting my taurus 85 snub nose in a pocket holster or inside my boot during the summer.
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I'm entirely in agreement with Justin on this one.
You lied to everyone about being a CCW holder.
I and others on this board have given you advice and shared our experiences with you a number of times. In return for that, you lie to us and then ask us to help you figure out ways that you can get around the law and carry a gun.
What you're doing is not the conduct of a responsible adult. It's not even the conduct of a responsible teenager. Even if I did know of some way for you to be able to legally keep a gun within arm's reach, I wouldn't tell you.
You ARE NOT responsible enough to handle a firearm in that capacity.

Actually, I hope the Mods leave this thread open forever. I'd bet money that a lot of guys on here are going to want to take you for the internet version of a trip to the woodshed.
And you deserve it.
 
Wow. Epic Fail for The Sherriff. :D

Brought it on yourself, kid. We would have been more than happy to help, had you not tried to play us for suckers. Heck, even if you did, you could have owned up to it and apologized, and we probably would have given you a break.

Now..

Well, perhaps you oughta come back when you're a little older, or know how to conduct yourself.
 
Actually, his non-answers to Justin's posts tell me that he doesn't really "get it" and he just feels that if we would all stop talking about it, it would just go away.
 
A while back there was a thread in S&T about a home invasion in Orlando. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=376628

Several members suggested routinely arming young teens and preteens and expecting them to engage in a gunfight with the intruders.

I hope after reading this thread everyone who recommended that rethinks their position. It takes a certain level of maturity to handle firearms and self defense situations. I think we have a perfect example of why early teens and preteens might not possess that maturity.

Jeff
 
I fully agree with Jeffs statement here,being a father of those who have already 'left the nest' and on with their lives,I might mention that I wouldnt let my kids,under the legal age 'handle a firearm' unless it was with me there or under a person who was a 'proven instructor'.

Responsibility and truth often walk hand in hand...it 'shows character' and the ability,with maturity,to handle a gun safely...I cant comment on a legality since not in the legal field.
 
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