Legal Question regarding defending self

[SASD209]

OP: As I said in reply #6, you sir, are acting like a troll. Take that how you will, but you're obviously looking for some rabid "dirty harry" response to your issues.....you'll not find that here. We are reasonable people who exercise common sense.

 

[Walker132]

Treo: I was a cop 30 yrs. ago in another state. Were you in any war? You say 1% deaths like it's nothing. 1 death is too much! Deadly force laws change frequently. As to the rednecks- If you haven't lived around them you have no clue. These people are PROUD to call themselves rednecks and many fly the Confederate flag. I was a teacher in a local H.S. and had to put up with rednecks on a daily basis. I am NOT a liar. I tell it how it is. I am NOT politically correct or liberal.

Once again: We tried to get along with these 4 guys, but they WON'T let us. They only like their own kind and we aren't from here.

MBT: I swore @ the guy as he didn't call to his dog or make any attempt to get the damn thing out of our space. Many of you miss the main points- I sense liberals hang here.

We did try to get along with them. They are the ones who won't let us live in peace. Now do you get it? If people are bent on messing with a neighbor they are the problem source. No, I don't hate rednecks- just these 4 as all they have done is try to hurt us any chance they get.

Why do some of you own guns if you don't believe in using them to defend yourselves? That's like the bunch that keep unloaded guns nearby and have no protection against a home invasion.

Besides, why would you give a damn about people that take delight in meddling in other people's affairs? The US is quite good at that and you see the end result of that.

Jorb: I agree with you 100%!

Nobody has answered my question as to what this forum is really about. So, what IS the purpose?

 

[scottgun]

Nobody has answered my question as to what this forum is really about. So, what IS the purpose?

I believe that would be the responsible ownership and use of firearms. Your situation does not seem to fit the criteria of using a firearm responsibly.

 

[Walker132]

SASD: We also are reasonable people, but this s-t's getting real old. We're not moving as we can't afford it. I'd be gone from this place tomorrow if I could. We are law abiding citizens who are being harrassed by 4 lowlifes who take delight in doing it.

There's alot more to this story than meets the eye. What would all of you do if someone attacked you to cause great bodily harm?? Fight them like a 2nd grader? maybe use a stick? How about your guns? Guns are for protection of life and property. This part of FL is a very violent area with many home invasions, murders, rapes, etc. Oh, and the Sheriff can't handle all the gangs that have relocated to this area.

Until you've walked in our shoes and experienced what we have don't pass judgement on us. If you've never been in a war don't quote figures about casulties.

What say you?

 

[Walker132]

Scottgun: Just exactly what have I done with a firearm that makes me irresponsible? I'm just looking to protect my life from an aggressor that won't go away.

 

[kingpin008]

Why do some of you own guns if you don't believe in using them to defend yourselves?

We DO believe in using them to defend ourselves. Thing is though, we understand that doing so is only a LAST RESORT, when there is an immediate, imminent threat to our lives, which we have done everything possible to avoid or diffuse. Your case does not meet those criteria.

Bottom line, you've gotten some stellar advice here, that would serve you well to take to heart, regardless of what your specific state statutes demand of you legally.

If you're not satisfied with our answers, I suggest you take the initiative and contact a lawyer familiar with FL self-defense issues. Perhaps you'll be more willing to take the advice if you're forced to pay for it.

 

[scottgun]

Scottgun: Just exactly what have I done with a firearm that makes me irresponsible? I'm just looking to protect my life from an aggressor that won't go away.

Nothing you have done has made you irresponsible, what you are asking makes you sound irresponsible. No one is going to agree with you that you have justification to use a firearm on your neighbors. What you have described is a nuisance, not a deadly threat. If you were in fact a law enforcement officer for 11 years, then you should know when you are justified to take that step.

So if you go off and shoot one of the neighbors, I don't really think the surviving 3 will like you any better.

Sorry to nibble on your bait, but it seems that you are looking for something that the collective wisdom of this board will not provide. You don't seem to want any reasonable advice, just justification to shoot.

Good luck at a peaceful resolution to your neighborhood disputes!

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

Many of you miss the main points- I sense liberals hang here.
ever consider it might be your attitude?


As to the rednecks- If you haven't lived around them you have no clue. These people are PROUD to call themselves rednecks and many fly the Confederate flag.

 

[deanf]

You need to read Defending the Self Defense Case.

 

[Treo]

Were you in any war?

Yup

As to the rednecks- If you haven't lived around them you have no clue.

My neck is as red as Alabama clay

These people are PROUD to call themselves rednecks and many fly the Confederate flag.

Ademas Que? (Your point being?)

Why do some of you own guns if you don't believe in using them to defend yourselves

I absolutely believe in self-defense within the confines of the law

I was a cop 30 yrs. Ago in another state
I am ex law enfocement & never had to shoot anyone in 11 yrs.
I am a vet
I was a teacher in a local H.S.

Let’s do some addin’ up

Age 58 ( i could have sworn his first post said that but it's been edited hmmmm?
Present situation at least 8 years
50 years left
30 years cop in another state (no part of the last 8 years can apply to the 30)
20 years left
HS teacher equals 4-year degree
16 years left and he’s also claiming vet status

Troll

 

[kingpin008]

Lol. Treo for the win!

 

[Yoda]

OK, so your situation sucks...

Friend - - -

Let me grant that EVERYTHING you've said about your neighbors is true. If so, then NOTHING you've described comes close to considering the use of deadly force. Put that thought out of your mind. It has nothing to do with the situation you've described.

I'm sorry if your neighbors are making your life unpleasant. It's even more tragic if you are completely blameless. However, your situation can't be improved upon by anything that goes "bang!"

If one of your neighbors were genuinely threatening your life, then you could defend your life. So far, though, it doesn't seem that your life has actually been threatened. Your peace of mind has been compromised. The sorts of questions you're asking suggests that you're looking for ways to "make a point" that would actually escallate the situation and generate some tragic results. Don't go there.

I have been in war. Remember the political objective stated by President Johnson, that we were in Ivet Nam to "Win the hearts and minds of the people?" Guess what? There was no ordnance that we could hang on our fighters, not napalm, not high-drags, not CBU, that succeeded in winning any hearts and minds. (They were pretty good at SEPARATING hearts from minds, though.)

In your case, I urge you to "Give Peace a chance." I also suggest, AS A FRIEND, that you talk with someone in your church, or in a couseling session, or someone else that you trust, to help you deal with an unpleasant situation that you apparently cannot get out of and you believe you cannot live with.

Whatever you do, don't go looking for a fight. You'll find one, and you won't like it.

If you're really better than your neighbors, then act like it. If your frustration is so high that you think you're reaching the breaking point, then you MUST take another tack, while you're still able to think straight. You have a moral duty to yourself and your family to look for better alternatives. Please.

- - - Paul

 

[Kleanbore]

RE: Post 35 by Treo...

BRAVO!

 

[Jim K]

I have to wonder if race is involved here. In any case, there are some problems both ways. The OP obviously feels superior to the "rednecks" and "yahoos" (terms in the same category as "ni**er") in the neighborhood, and I suspect has not been shy at informing everyone that he is better educated and more cultured than they are.

That of course does not justify the kind of harassment described, but it is something to consider. Further, if it should come to court, the OP's use of such terms could escalate a spat to the hate crime category, never a good place to go.

Jim

 

[1911Tuner]

Speaking as a hillbilly redneck yahoo my own self...I don't think that what you're dealing with are rednecks or yahoos or whatever term that you want to use. Most genuine hillbilly/rednecks that I know are more likely to run to your aid than give you a hard time...assuming that you haven't "laid down the law" or insisted that everyone in the area conform to your ways, or given anyone the idea that you're of a superior intellect or bloodline.

If you've insulted anybody, the response from real rednecks is generally to just ignore you instead of walking over and offering to help with a flat tire or a broken drainage pipe...which they will do without hesitation.

What you've likely done is move into a nest of what we call "white trash" and there just ain't much that you can do with'em...not legally anyway.

Anyhoo...This one's had a couple of complaints, so I'm gonna shut it down before it goes hot.

Cheers!

 

[1911Tuner]

Closed

Say goodnight Chet.

(And if you remember that, you're older'n dirt.)