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Legislation For The 6,000,000+ Legally Armed Civilians Needs To Be Implemented

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  1. Desertdog

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    Legislation For The 6,000,000+ Legally Armed Civilians Needs To Be Implemented Like The "Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act of 2004".
    http://legallyarmed.com/national_law_enforcement_carry.htm

    The "Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act" has become law. It is now known as Public Law 108-277. This law helps the U.S.A. be better protected from terrorists and terrorist sympathizers in America. This is beneficial for America since it is believed that terrorists are here in the U.S.A.. If this is the case, would America benefit even more if the law abiding legally armed civilian population were allowed access to every state in America?

    The recent release of information by Attorney General Ashcroft regarding financial institutions and plans made by terrorists, shows that they have been in the U.S.A., and are probably still here. Their details regarding financial institutions shows that they were concerned about firearms since they pointed out to their associates the armed guards located within these financial institutions and buildings. What if they thought that most of the people working in these locations were armed. Would they consider their intended targets too dangerous because of such a large armed civilian population? Is this what our founding fathers thought about when they addressed firearms? Naturally they could not in vision in their day what is happening in today's world...or could they?

    The British, The Islamic Terrorists, What Is The Difference?
    During the time when our country was founded, acts of death and destructions due to the war with England were common place. The American Army of the time was comprised mostly of civilians who volunteered to help defend their homeland. The current war in Iraq has a lot of national guard and reserves fighting there. These are civilians who volunteer they time to help defend their homeland.

    The only other time that the homeland of America has been threatened as much as it is today, was when our country was founded. The mode of defense for the armed population at that time was small arms. In the war in Iraq, most of the fighting is with small arms. Except for the technological advances in firearms, little has changed regarding war and defending America. Small arms are still the key ingredient when it comes down to close fighting including urban warfare. Why then do laws exist that restrict law enforcement officers and law abiding legally armed citizens, from carrying their firearms? These restrictive laws do not do anything to discourage individuals intent of committing acts of terror. They only make the odds of committing these acts of terror higher because; there is less resistance for them to overcome, or to cause harm to them before they can complete their act of terror.

    Lets Make The Terrorists Job Harder To Fulfill!
    We have been told that suicide bombers and the majority of terrorists, do not want to be harmed before they can carry out their acts of terror. We have been told that death is not something they fear or worry about. Well no matter what we have been told, death is a concern to every living thing. Animals and humans go out of their way to prevent harm or death to themselves. Terrorists are no different. They fear that they may not complete their act of terror before dying. They do not want to be killed or harmed before their act of terror is complete. Well, if this is their goal, lets throw a monkey wrench into their plans. Have the majority of law abiding citizens carry a handgun until every terrorist in America trying to kill Americans are DEAD before they can carry out their act of terror! No bullet is going to stop a chemical, biological, or nuclear attack but, it might stop the means of delivery before it can occur. The human delivery system...the terrorist. Some believe that small arms or bombs will be used in America as they are currently being used in other regions of the world. If this does occur, won't all Americans be better prepared by carrying small arms in the form of handguns?

    We have been told that we need to change the way we are perceived by the rest of the world for us to win this war on terror. Well, let the rest of the world know that Americans will do whatever it takes to defend their way of life and their homeland. Let them perceive Americans as defiant to the will of individuals who want to kill us because of the way we live. America has always been known as the land of liberty. Lets give more liberty to our own people. Remove the restrictions on where law enforcement officers and legally armed civilians can carry their handguns. Increase access to every state in America for legally armed citizens just like the "Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act of 2004", and show the world that Americans are capable of defending their homeland not only with their military, but with the legally armed civilian population.

    Let every Islamic Terrorist know that we will gladly assist them in achieving their main goal;.

    to meet Allah!

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  2. Zedicus

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    It would be good to see a National Civilian CCW passed, then the fascist states like CA & NY will have no exuses.
     
  3. molonlabe

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    Add NJ and MD to that mix.
     
  4. FedDC

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    It would be great to have nationwide CCW for everyone...but I doubt that many LE Orgs will support it after the backlash they got from the Non LE CCW types.

    There is a lot of bad blood between those that fought for nationwide LE CCW and the folks that tried to prevent it...and cops have long memories. Perhaps if we had all banded together, there would be more support on the LE Side...
     
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    Sounds like a good time for the LE orgs to display their professionalism, even handedness and good will towards the citizens.

    Thought I heard or read they said they get theirs first and it would be a foot in the door for the rest of us.

    Time to push the door open?

    Vick
     
  6. mrapathy2000

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    dont forget Illinois,Nebraska,Wisconsin believe kansas too.

    be great to see something like that passed. national ccw.
     
  7. Black Snowman

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    You are correct, no in KS CCW yet. We MIGHT have been able to overturn the veto but the :cuss: didn't even try. :fire:

    National CCW without a paper trail that could be used as "gun registration" would be ideal.
     
  8. Ironbarr

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    Hey! Hey!

    Let's not put limits on the firearms. I wouldn't want a court visit because a rifle was needed and all I had - due to law - was a handgun.

    And - since we are at war as it's been put by CinCUS and all below, it seems to me that a country at war should be prepared and at the ready to repel boarders, so to speak. So why is it that Desertdog's program isn't already a fact????????????????????????????

    Answer: War talk is easy when it's happening elsewhere, but how does it set on the stomach when it's on your block?

    -link- This is what it's like, no?
     
  9. TheEgg

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    I am not sure I want the feds involved in any of this. First on constitutional grounds, and second on practical grounds.

    If we push for a ferderal law, are we not then admitting that the Feds have the right to determine what has been up til now a State matter?

    Only thing that makes sense to me would be federal law or, better yet, a SC ruling enforcing the "full faith and credit" concept for CCW.

    IANAL
     
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    Why is it always the victim's fault?

    They fully understand why there was backlash and why the powers that be created the law in the first place. To create classes of citizens. To divide and conquer us into a new police state U.S.A.
     
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    "Most LEO orgs" won't support national CCW, because they already have it. Why would they fight for something they already have?
     
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    I'm already on board and doing my part!
     
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    I doubt it. A "national CCW", if passed (which is highly unlikely), would be challenged on "states rights" issues. The best that might be accomplished is a set of standards for national CCW that would have to be agreed upon by all (participating) states, and would then be like a big reciprocity pool. But there's no way the Federal government is going to force California to issue me a CCW. Maybe they might force California to accept CCWs from other states (probably only resident permits, so I couldn't sneakily backdoor the system by getting a Utah non-resident permit), but there are enormous issues with that.

    That's really the best hope for national CCW... some kind of compact that all states can provide input to, come up with a set of licensing standards that all (or most) can agree on, and use those standards as a basis for permit issuance and hence reciprocity. But don't nobody hold their breath for the 11 anti carry states to jump on board.
     
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    you mean U.S.S.A.

    which is why we should hope the federal government would issue the permit and not the state.

    doubt it will happen. gotta admit though. the sound of those state toes going crunch as fed put that in would be pretty good after fighting so long to get it and being denied for so many reason. I know in my state citizens in counties where sheriff's deny CHL licenses or put unreasonable restrictions on ones they do give out. people would rejoice.
     
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    *snort*
    Because if we'd all banded behind getting police exemption, then the Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association, the International Association of Chiefs of Police, the Major Cities Chiefs Association, the National Association of Police Organizations, the National Black Police Association, the National Fraternal Order of Police, the National Sheriff's Association, the Police Executive Research Forum and the Police Foundation would all have abandoned their longstanding anti-gun positions and worked to help institute universal national CCW.

    Yeah right. I call bull.
    Where did that bad blood come from, FedDC?
    Try this on for size: If the organized police lobbying organizations hadn't spent the last few decades pushing for stricter gun control and ever-increasing regulation for people who don't wear badges, you might have gotten more support from non-LEO gun owners when there was a bill you really wanted.
     
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    Does the freedoms and rights listed in the the Bill of Rights apply to the states? The last time I checked the constitution applied to the states.

    If they do, then BEARING arms means CCW should be legal in all 50 states.

    - Can you imagine (rightfully so) how fast the Feds would get involved if Georgia made it illegal for Blacks to vote?
     
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    FYI that "backlash" was mostly to be found on internet discussion sites like this one as opposed to the REAL world. They won't likely support civilian CCW because the vast majority of "police organizations" (at least in my parts) have endorsed every piece of gun control that has ever appeared on the ballot...
     
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    Answer: War talk is easy when it's happening elsewhere, but how does it set on the stomach when it's on your block?
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    It is happening on our block and anyone who thinks that it isn't doesn't pay attention or just ignores the fact for their peice of mind.

    How many thousands come across the border? How many are already here? :confused:

    For that matter how many are using University Islamic clubs to recruit, thier own little bombadeers? :uhoh:

    Too bad you would infringing on their rights if you actually deported them.

    :fire: :cuss:
     
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    I'm not holding my breath while waiting.
     
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    I wonder if a class action lawsuit could accomplish anything since the law created a super-citizen in the LEOs?

    There should be enough CCW holders to qualify as a class of citizens.
     
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    Best way to get National CCW is...

    ..get more people qualified for CCW! If indeed the 6,000,000 CCW figure is correct, this number represents 6,000,000 law-abiding citizens who form a very powerful voting block! It would be great to see the formation of a national CCW rights group, analagous to the NRA or GOA.
     
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    Most cops I know didn't even know about the new law untill I told them.
    So hopefully there isn't that much "bad blood"...
    It's sad that we don't have the right to keep and bear arms like my ancestors who fought and won the revolutionary war did.
     
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    You "Tin Hatters" are no different than Ready Teddy and the rest of the clownish left when it comes to bitching about this new law.

    Want some chesse served up with that whine?
     
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    Why should retired LEO's (who are in effect private citizens just like everyone else) be covered on this law? It seems to me like a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. By law they have created a special class of people, that have 'rights' the rest of us do not.
     
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