Thankfully they're a small group and the vast majority of them are just bluster and won't get off the couch. The rest of us find them pathetic and laughable.
Less than 60 days to a major election and no panic buying. I'm Surprised!
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Was, was on the record in a 2007 Mayor's Press conference back when she was San Francisco's DA when speaking about their safe storage law and whether it was enforceable.
Kamala Harris on Going into Gun Owners Homes, if you own a gun that is sufficient justification
Kamala Harris from when she was the District Attorney for San Francisco: “Just because you legally possess a gun in the sanctity of your locked home doesn't ...
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Back in 2020 before she dropped out of the primary she was in a CNN Townhall and got this question and responded on what she'd do in the first 100 days,
She's not a friend of the 2A and she's not an RKBA advocate and she has clearly stated she wants an AWB and universal background checks so if you can find any quote from the source showing her say she'd have police go door to door and confiscate firearms said I'd love to see it because I've been looking for something that fits because that's the "smoking gun" we need.
What we recall is a handful of cities, yes "handful" is a "number", Minneapolis being the most visible, with those three repeated in the media over and over and over and ... We did have plenty of rumors and threats and bluster, but not much beyond those few cities. There were NO riots, arson, or looting in the vast majority of cities, but the media always slavering for eyeballs took every opportunity to sew fear to get the clicks they profit from. And the vast majority of us sat in our homes bombarded with those manipulative images reacted as the media wanted with concern that kept us believing that our town would be next. But of course only a couple of our members reported that some neighborhood in their city was burning or homes or businesses were looted.
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armoredman
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Truth - every time I am at a place that sells reloading supplies, I always buy something, a little bit at a time. Even my wife will do the same thing. One box of primers added to a shopping trip is one box I didn't have before.
This article talks about the problem being much more widespread than your memory recalls:
George Floyd protests: the US cities that became hotspots of unrest
Major cities from New York to Los Angeles and Miami to Seattle have seen a mix of peaceful demonstrations and violent outbreaks
Minneapolis
New York
Los Angeles
Miami
Nashville
Salt Lake City
Cleveland
Raleigh
Louisville
Atlanta
Dallas
Washington DC
Not sure how many a handful is, but that is 12 that rioted over George Floyd alone. The article neglected to mention Seattle and Portland, who were rioting then as well.
I've read the study that's based on and we should look at it in more detail. I'm in TN. Nashville had one incident related to one attempted arson of a city building by one guy. That was it. Other than Minneapolis and Kenosha the "violence" in all but a couple of those listed cities was minimal. No burning neighborhoods. No days of clashes with police.This article talks about the problem being much more widespread than your memory recalls:
George Floyd protests: the US cities that became hotspots of unrest
Major cities from New York to Los Angeles and Miami to Seattle have seen a mix of peaceful demonstrations and violent outbreakswww.theguardian.com
Minneapolis
New York
Los Angeles
Miami
Nashville
Salt Lake City
Cleveland
Raleigh
Louisville
Atlanta
Dallas
Washington DC
Not sure how many a handful is, but that is 12 that rioted over George Floyd alone. The article neglected to mention Seattle and Portland, who were rioting then as well.
Wikipedia (I realize not the best source sometimes, but I am lazy today) says this about Nashville in the wake of George Floyd: It says the damaged a police car, sprayed graffite, and the Mayor declared a state of emergency and called in the National Guard after a "spate" of arsons (sounds multiple to me), including the courthouse. I don't live there though, so maybe that is all untrue as you say. Also set up an autonomous zone. Did that stuff not happen?
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A protester poses in front of state troopers in Nashville, June 24, 2020On May 30, thousands gathered for a protest in downtown Nashville, the capital of Tennessee; protesters peacefully demonstrated in Legislative Plaza and then marched to a police department.[62] In the evening, the crowd damaged a police car, threw rocks and sprayed graffiti; at least 5 were arrested. Mayor John Cooper declared a state of emergency and called in the national guard after a spate of arsons, including the burning of Nashville's courthouse.[63][64][65]
The Nashville Autonomous Zone, sometimes referred to as the Ida B. Wells Plaza, was an attempt to declare an autonomous zone on the Capitol grounds of Nashville, Tennessee.[66][67][68] It was an attempt to mirror the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone of Seattle, though this "zone" never actually formed and was more of an occupational protest of the Tennessee State Capitol. On June 12 local activists called for protesters to occupy the Capitol grounds, starting at 5:00 p.m. local time.[69] Fliers circulated by organizers demanded "Fire Chief Anderson. Defund the Police. Demilitarize the Police. Remove Racist Statues."[70] In the wake of Occupy Wall Street the Tennessee State Legislature passed law making the occupation of State land after 10:00 p.m. a Class A misdemeanor.[69]
That's an exaggeration to call the "camp in" and autonomous zone. It was a protest camp-in that lasted a few days. Calling for an "Occupation" and actually getting one were two very different things. The State Troopers kept the camp under constant observation.
My son lives in Nashville. He's familiar with the "alternative" and homeless communities. He laughed over the arson claims and was texting with pics of the guy that set the one real fire telling me the dude was a street guy closer to neoNazi than BLM. The protest marches went through the entertainment district in hopes of being disruptive and other than tipped over trashcans and one broken window (again another street guy) they were messy instead of destructive. The camp was just at the government plaza. The camper/protesters ended up asking for more police protection from the public and some of the occupants. Not exactly the image of a PacNW "autonomous zone". More like an extended overnight camping sit in. Troopers jailed the campers clearing them a couple of times before it all blew over.
Tennessee, even Nashville, isn't accepting of destructive protests or sustained protests and the Troopers aren't tolerant of significant disruptions. We call in the Guard early instead of like certain governors has been criticized for being slow to do so.
That's the problem when trivial disruptive events are lumped in with major destructive ones like Kenosha and Minneapolis that are repeated on the news every 15 minutes. They all get equated in people's minds. The one study claimed 514 protests, arson, or violent events, but then doesn't parse until deep in the study the difference between Minneapolis and the march led by our mayor with a group of churches led by pastors or the group of a dozen teens that ran through downtown after midnight on one Saturday pulling city waste cans out of their decorative stands and tossing them in the street. Being added to a list that focuses on extensive vandalism, the impression is created way out of proportion to the facts.
Did you have anything other than some organized marchers, a little opportunistic graffiti, or some churches meeting on the state or city steps for news coverage by the local paper and TV stations? Most folks didn't see even that take place in their towns. "If it bleeds, it leads" dates back long before TV or the internet.
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That said, trash can fires that get set vs. a drunk redneck trying to get trash to burn on a ground level window ledge of a state building vs. setting a property on fire with a will vs. setting a block on fire are of a kind, maybe, but not the same.
Anchorite
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I’d really love to buy some property up in the wild lands of Maine.
Old Dog
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I can only speak for myself, I'm totally not worried about anything regarding the election outcome, nor am I stocking up on any more guns, ammo or accessories.
Let's get real, even if they win, Harris and Walz both told us quite recently that they are gunowners themselves, and that they are not coming for our guns.
Who cares what they said in the past? I mean, people can change their minds, right? Even politicians...
Oh, wait...
Maybe if the price of things like milk and eggs hadn't almost doubled in the past three years, and gas was still $1.89 at the pump, people would be engaged in some panic buying.
Let's get real, even if they win, Harris and Walz both told us quite recently that they are gunowners themselves, and that they are not coming for our guns.
Who cares what they said in the past? I mean, people can change their minds, right? Even politicians...
Oh, wait...
Maybe if the price of things like milk and eggs hadn't almost doubled in the past three years, and gas was still $1.89 at the pump, people would be engaged in some panic buying.
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I don't doubt that is a part of it, but realistically wages have also been going up, employment has been solid, and the market has done very well. At least some of this has to be people not paying attention.
Old Dog
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Not to disagree completely with this, but as far as wages and jobs, much of that is entirely dependent on where one lives. Wage increases in my area are eaten up by rising taxes (esp. property taxes and gas), increased bridge tolls (that's a big thing up here) and for everyone still a member of my old union, a raise in union dues concurrent with any annual pay raises. Oh, and then there's this thing called "inflation" which I guarantee you has virtually negated wage increases in most parts of the country. And don't get me started on the market; while it often appears to be healthy and robust, it continues to go in cycles, even with our very shrewd and varied investments, we've taken a severe beating over the past three years, and my wife's retirement account got dinged very seriously.
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The data says otherwise, FRED, which tracks real wages (wages adjusted for inflation) shows rising real wages from the post COVID spike starting in 2022. The gains are slight, but they do prove that inflation has not negated the full impact of rising wages.
I don't think there is anything about the market that is a matter of appearance or cycles, its just numbers. Since 2021, the S&P 500 has returned an annualized 13.34%. That is well above the historical mean and frankly fantastic performance. 10k invested in January 2021 would be 15.8k today. 5.8k can buy a lot of ammo or a few nice guns, or an small safe of more basic weapons.
There are some metrics indicating that consumer stress is rising, and that might put a bit of a damper on sales, but in light of what is being said by one of the tickets I'm still surprised at how poor sales are. I'm afraid if things go badly in November everyone is going to wake up and realize its too late.
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My wages have increased by less than $1 per hour since Oct 2020. Granted, I'm near the end of my "working life" and am no longer trying to advance up the ladder. At this point I could really care less, but I see my coworkers struggling.
My 401K lost about $25K after Biden took office, and currently is almost back to where it was previously. Yes, I know that the market fluctuates, holding long term and all that, but the percentage lost was huge.
Regardless who wins this election, things are going to change. They will get better or they will get worse. We'll know soon enough.
I'm not panic buying.
chris
People act like the president determines their wages. The fact is, presidents have very little to do with it - they only have a few levers they can pull. It is clearly unpredicted events - wars, pandemics, large business collapses (e.g. 2008) that drive rapid changes. Presidents can't impose taxes on imports or change internal tax policy unilaterally. They even change interest rates - we have a board of 12 highly trained economists who vote on that in the Fed. But if you are counting - the greatest positive shift was under Clinton, who happened to be president when the Internet took off. He was smart enough to get out of its way. The longest downhill drag was the Reagan-Bush years.
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You are attributing your loss to Biden? Or is it possible it had to do with the perturbation of the world economy during largest pandemic since the Spanish Flu? Either way, a look at the stock market over the last few decades will show you that presidents have very little to do with that. Sure they want to take credit when it is good, or avoid blame when it is bad, but there is no evidence that they can have any effect at all. Those trends extend far beyond any one, or even two administrations.
pandemics etc.
pharmer
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Yeah, no panic. But just in case, I got a PSA blem lower on the way. I have the bcg, charge handle, a cheap scope and rings. A rifle might take shape before the election. Joe
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earlthegoat2
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I was 12 years old when the AWB was enacted
I never forgot the need to have a good supply.
I never forgot the need to have a good supply.
ballman6711
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The president does not determine my wages. The president does determine policy and which direction this country is headed.
No, I'm not. Market loss has been caused by many things, such as covid shutdowns, stimulus checks, near record inflation, etc.... I'm also not giving Biden credit for the markets recent recovery and gains. I'm saying he was in charge when these things happened, nothing more or less.
I'm not going to panic. Not about guns, reloading, or the upcoming election. When people panic they tend to make poor decisions.
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Howland937
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That sounds too rational to truly be a panic buy. Maybe park at the end of the lot and run to the store ..get your BP up so it feels real.
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