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Let the ATF know how you feel!!

Discussion in 'Activism Discussion and Planning' started by Acera, Feb 22, 2011.

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  1. Acera

    Acera Member

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    Got this in this months ATF bulletin. They are asking for how you feel about importation of a certain type of shotgun. We all know they are talking about the Saiga. Email them and let them know that it is indeed a sporting weapon, and should have no more restrictions placed on it.

    http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2011-02.pdf




    It only takes a minute and could make a difference, like a vote!!
     
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  2. InkEd

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    It is a legitimate sporting shotgun! The ATF does not care about anyone's opinion. The are all appointed people and do not care about anything but their own agenda. IMHO that agenda is slowly taking away our RTKBA. The importation of the aforementioned shotgun will make absolutely no difference in crime, terrorism or anything else they claim it will effect. The only people who will be effected by another perfectly useful firearm not being permitted is the collectors who will have to pay a premium for them. Anyone who questions the sporting/defensive purposes of a semiautomatic shotgun or rifle, IMHO is simply out to strip Americans of their God (AND government) Given to provide food and
    protection for their family. I hope the NRA-ILA takes them to court if they try to pass such a regulation. We do not have a no-trade policy with the country of origin. Firearms should be no different than caviar, except they shouldn't be priced as luxury for the wealthy. If Russia and other former Warsaw Pact nations were permitted
    to sell firearms to the "Free World" the economies of those nations would be significantly improved, as would our own due to capitalist competition in the market.
     
  3. withdrawn34

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    The ATF should look at what kind of sports Americans compete in these days. The Saiga is undoubtedly used in some of these competitions.
     
  4. leadcounsel

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    bump. i did it!

    However, the newsletter requires "name and mailing address" for all comments.

    I am VERY suspect of this requirement... is the ATF just compiling a list of folks who may have these items to make it easier to round them up if they become illegal??? Very suspect...

    BTW, the study which is located here http://www.atf.gov/publications/firearms/012611-study-on-importality-of-certain-shotguns.pdf
    is absolute garbage with incredibly biast conclusions.

    I urge everyone to write the ATF and Congress to put a stop to the likely ban of Saiga's for importation.
     
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  5. Olympus

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    They can look all they want at my house. I hope they look until they're blue in the face. Don't own one now and have never owned one in the past, but I'm happy to provide my opinion.
     
  6. hso

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    They need this information for comments because of bogus comments having been filed in the past.

    Their reasoning is circular in their "study". Because these shotguns don't have "traditional" characteristics they won't classify them as having a sporting purpose. This regardless of the fact that they are used in the competitive sports built around combat or LE shooting. They even admit that the number of participants in these sports equal those in other shotgun clay sports, but because they aren't the traditional configuration they won't accept their sporting purpose.

    Attack the flawed reasoning used for refusing to accept their sporting use.
     
  7. sawdeanz

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    What a load of crap. I don't really understand why ATF has the power to revise things like these as they please. If it wasn't a problem before why does it have to be addressed now? Their most shoddy assertion I think is the forward pistol grips being not sporting. They give no explanation for why these would be unacceptable, and that is just a taste of the bs they come up with. I don't really get why they need to be sporting anyway...what makes foreign guns so malignant to the ATF anyway?
     
  8. hso

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    My comment -
     
  9. wheelgunslinger

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    Absolutely.

    Great comment, btw, with post 8.
     
  10. Kentuckiana rifleman

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    I only hope that with this administration something ridiculous doesn't happen.
     
  11. Dreamcast270mhz

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    GCA of '68 needs to done away with altogether haha and all this crap
     
  12. AlexanderA

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    The Second Amendment says nothing about "sporting use"! And the Heller decision, interpreting it as an individual right, didn't say anything about "sporting use." The whole basis of the decision was suitability for personal and community self-protection.

    The ATF should be taken to court over its administration of this provision. There's a good chance that GCA '68 section 925 would be declared unconstitutional! All defensive and military firearms, other than those falling under the purview of the NFA, should be freely importable.

    However, don't write to the ATF over this. They can do nothing about the underlying law. Write to the NRA, the GOA, the Second Amendment Foundation, your Congresspeople, etc.
     
  13. Daemon688

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    The thing about rules is: the government agency opens up the issue for comment and then they make their own darn decision anyways regardless of comment. Given who we have in working in that agency....well bye bye Saiga unless it gets some political attention. Doesn't hurt to comment though....
     
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    Write your congress critter and demand that he/she do something about the our of control BATFE.
     
  15. dirtymike1

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    Question for the people that think that this for the ATF to gather information and come search your house, has that ever happened? Is there any president for the ATF to kick in doors and seach houses for something they think migth be there? I understand concern, so if anyone has any documented accounts of this happening people provide links, I'm interested to read them.
     
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    Am I to believe that HD guns can only be "Sporting" ???

    HMMMM

    Don't get suckered, we need continued pushing to RE-INSTATE the second amendment

    as written, and violations be punishable. If you aren't in the NRA/ILA, join!

    Don't hide behind our work to keep guns in your hands!
     
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    So nothing? Does anyone on here have proof that the ATF has busted down doors after a pulic poll like this? I'd really like to read them.
     
  18. Ignition Override

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    According to a friend who is often very astute regarding gun issues, the problem is caused by President Obama's new ATF Director.
    Months ago the friend sold about ten Saiga 12s and has found no evidence that they are being imported.

    With such an arrogant, anti-gun political appointee, could twenty million e-mails do any good?
     
  19. ErikO

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    Attacking the flawed reasoning of the ATF worked for High Powered Rocketry, why not this? By the way, it will take a long, costly court case to make them change their mind.
     
  20. gearchecker

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    Additional links to show opposition

    Here is another link with more information and a basic letter you can send to the ATF to show your opposition.

    http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/7744

    Regards,
    gearchecker
     
  21. wally

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    I sent in this Email:

     
  22. henschman

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    Maybe we should ask the ATF what the sporting purpose is for their Glocks, 12 gauges, AR-15s, and MP-5s.

    The whole notion that a "sporting purpose" is in any way a consideration for whether a certain type of weapon should be available to citizens of this country is a complete affront to the concept of liberty. It makes me sick to my stomach that this is what our nation has come to.

    What ever happened to that revolutionary spirit that our founding fathers hoped would never die out? On April 19, 1775, an 800 man detachment of Royal Army and Marines descended on the town of Concord. They confiscated or destroyed any items they thought could be "military" in nature, including some wooden spoons, several barrels of flour, musket balls, and gunpowder. Before the sun set that day, 73 of those soldiers lay dead along the road to Boston, with another 174 wounded by Colonial musket balls and 53 missing. That is how our founding fathers dealt with threats of this nature. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.
     
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    Short and to the point. "Myself and many others use our Saiga 12 shotguns for the shooting sports of 3gun and Multigun. A simple search of youtube for "Saiga 12 3 gun" turns up dozens of people using theirs for the same purpose. OBVIOUSLY it has a sporting purpose.

    However, shouldn't the question be "Are these shotguns being imported for criminal activity?" If the answer is yes, then ban them. If they aren't being used for criminal activity, what does it matter what use they are being put to?"
     
  25. Kachok

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    Hu I was not aware the ATF had the authority to override the US Constatution at will. Does anyone else see the wrighting on the wall here? It is coming.
     
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