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Let's play guess the cartridge.

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Bfh_auto, Sep 23, 2021.

  1. jonnyc

    jonnyc Member

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    Nah...that would be too easy! You'll need to be a serious collector, with deep info sources, to get this one. I wanted this round for years and finally found one about 2 years ago. I'll reveal the answer tonight.
     
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  2. lysanderxiii

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    Spanish Ammunition for the CB-51 rifles in 7.9mm x 40.

    -OR-

    7.5mm Swiss Short (7.5mm Pat. 47/52)

    need a scale for reference.

    -OR-

    Training round for the Spanish M65 Instalaza Bazooka
     
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  3. Bfh_auto

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    Guess 2 is 7.65x35 France's version.
     
  4. jonnyc

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    Some very good ideas here, I'm impressed. But the round is actually a very rare 7.62x33 experimental from, of all places, the Dominican Republic. It might have been intended for the San Cristóbal rifle, also produced in 9x19 and .30 Carbine. I know of only one other example of the round in captivity.
    Sorry, but it was the first round I found in my pic file.
     
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  5. jonnyc

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    Let's try another...a bit easier this time.
     

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  6. JCooperfan1911

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    20x110mm Hispano?
     
  7. brasscollector

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    8x60R?
     
  8. Bfh_auto

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    I'm going to guess 9x53 R.
     
  9. jonnyc

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    Oooh...very close, but no cigar.
     
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  10. WestKentucky

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    222 was the first thought. Confirmed that when I saw the file name…
     
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  11. Bfh_auto

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    Then I'm going to have to go to the 8x52 mannlicher
     
  12. jonnyc

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    "222" was just the name I used to save the file on my desktop.
    All three rounds are 8x53R Murata cartridges; a blank, a Japanese reformed 7.62x54R Russian case, and a very rare factory dummy.
     
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  13. T.R.

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    50-70 chambered in the Remington rolling block rifle.

    TR
     
  14. jonnyc

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    Ok, last one. I don't collect these as I only collect metric-military rounds. Hint......it is .44 caliber. Oh, and it's currently empty, but that could change at any time. ;)
     

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  15. jonnyc

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    Ok...looks like you've had enough. It's a .44-77 Remington Reloadable.
     
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  16. Bfh_auto

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    Man I has no idea on that one.
    The others were close enough to something I could guess.

    I went and read an article on The Gun Mag
    It was interesting. Thanks for bringing a forgotten cartridge to light.
     
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  17. Nom de Forum

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    Perhaps some of the less recent THR members remember this from a previous post, please don't spoil it for the newbies. I have never met anyone else who knew what it is, let alone owned one. A THR search may find its identity.
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  18. Bfh_auto

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    I'm
    Thinking it it a piston cartridge prototype. But I'm probably way off base. The rounded base is confusing me.
     
  19. jonnyc

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    I've seen a drawing or pic of its like before, but I will not go to the bookcase to research it. Off the top of my head I'm recalling some kind of front-loading single-shot rifle.
    Right direction?
     
  20. Speedo66

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    I see what looks like a bullet and primer, but the shape looks more to me like a magazine follower for a lever action.
     
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  21. Nom de Forum

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    Yup, way off base.

    It was "a drawing", a very small drawing, in a famous reference book on small arms that brought it to my attention.

    It definitely is a centerfire cartridge that is loaded into the front of a chamber of a repeating rifle.
     
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  22. Bfh_auto

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    Is it a gallager carbine 50 cal?
     
  23. Nom de Forum

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    The Gallager is a single shot that loads from the rear of the chamber. As mentioned in post #46 the cartridge loads into the front of the chamber of a repeater. You are getting closer in that you are in the right century and it is a black powder cartridge for a rifled, shoulder fired, lever action firearm. 50 is not the caliber but is close to the bore.
     
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