Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by CDW4ME, Mar 22, 2020.
My thoughts exactly. G29 if only could have one. Luckily I can have more
.45. Hands down. Cost & availability.
That’s only one dimension. How long does it take to get each hit?
well....I use all full size handguns, capacity is capped at 10, and can't ccw.
So my opinion is both lacking in personal experience, and based on the fact that IF I'm using a handgun at all, it's because I can't get to/don't have a long arm.
That said I have a 10mm and don't have a .45 anymore, tho I'll probably get another. Honestly I'd probably STILL chose the 10.
I'd choose a 10mm
The Glock 20 I've shot was snappy to the point I had trouble controlling it. It just flat-out hurt to shoot in that light gun.
Give me the 45 all day.
Sorry but all I have to compare are 2 Glock 30's and a Glock 20.
The G-30's are a good deal easier to conceal,and to shoot & draw.
The G-20 did NOT impress me greatly with a huge difference in recoil OR hitting value.
Definitely probably. Actually probably not much difference imo. If that 180gr Gold Dot was doing 2200fps I would use it but obviously that’s unrealistic. 1230fps isn’t enough difference for me get excited about.
I shot an antelope that had been hit by a car in the back of the head from about 20 yards with a 180 grain Golden Saber bullet. It blew both eyes out of their sockets and kept going.
Shot a 900 pound angus steer under the same circumstances. This time from the front. Bullet went through the brain, out through the back of the skull and deflected off a vertebra in the neck and kept on going. Steer fell over onto its back.
Shot a coyote through the chest at 80 yards and knocked him flat. Bullet kept going.
I don’t think I want to have to use that kind of power in a more crowded city setting. No telling where that bullet might wind up after doing what it was first called upon to do.
I love the 10 mm cartridge, but it is like a bull in a china shop in town.
Never had that experience.
I showed up at my first GSSF match with a brand new G29 and they chuckled and said I was going to have a bad time. I did not, in fact, have any issues with recoil or control and ended up winning my class.
I think some people are just more recoil sensitive with certain pistols.
I had a G20, never really liked it, but I love 10mm. I'll do the comparison, but with my 1911's, 7+1 for the .45 (Springfield), and 8+1 for the 10mm (Ruger). I'll carry a spare magazine for each, and I'll shoot my own reloads: .45's are 185 XTP's @ 1000fps, the 10mm is 155 XTP's @ 1450fps.
The choice comes down to whether I want a big hole most of the way through somebody, or a slightly smaller hole going in, and a much larger one coming out the other side.
The difference in feel when shooting them is about the same as a +P .38Spl and a medium power .357 Magnum.
I really don't think I need a 15 round magazine for either one, and if I have to change magazines, it's because I'm in the middle of a "Walking Dead" scene.
I'd probably carry the 10mm.
I have the 10mm and 45acp both in 1911s and I shoot the 45 one much better than the 10mm one. So for me and strictly self defense I'll take my 45 and 230gr HST +p's.
I'm looking at a revolver in 10mm, and plan to ream the cylinder to a 10mm Magnum. For the revolver platform I'll take the 10mm.
I'd like to try out a 10mm 1911 to more fully gain a perspective on the caliber. So far I've only shot a Glock 20.
To be honest, I'm more of a .45 acp guy when it comes to the large calibers. I have no idea why but I just like the big bore of the .45 better.
However, I would like a Glock 29 in my arsenal though. So Glock 21 for carry, Glock 29 for back-up.
Whichever one you shoot better.
I have never had that trouble either and I have medium sized hands. I could shoot a G20 for hours if didn’t want to spend so much.
For self defense with handguns CNS hits or blood loss is what stops fights. Bipedal mammals aren't too tough. I'd take the 45 with its larger wound track and easier to manage recoil I think.
If wild game is on the table, I'd take the better penetrating 10mm.
Cost & availability eliminated in OP.
Average split for qualifying pairs 1/3 second or less, my accuracy requirement is more stringent that hits on a silhouette, anyway insignificant difference .30 vs .33
Eliminated as a variable in the OP.
The more I think about it, you're really splitting hairs (heirs too?) with this one. Since you shoot them equally well, maybe the 10mm with 2 extra rounds is the way to go. I still like the 45 for its frontal area and wide expansion on bad guys but I'm also a huge fan of carrying as much ammo as possible. Your choice of a Gold Dots for the 10mm is about as good as you can get and the velocity isn't obscene. I like both your ammo choices for the 45 too.
Ok the more think about it, I know exactly what I would do as the deciding factor. Load up both guns with your best defensive ammo. Shoot each of them one handed with a medium limp wrist and do a rapid fire mag dump (or two). If either gun malfunctions, carry the other. In the real world, things might get ugly so carry the one that is reliable even in stupid/silly shooting situations. If neither malfunction, flip a coin.
If ammo cost doesn't matter and you can "shoot both equally", do some drills involving presentation/draw with multiple rounds on multiple targets on a pro-timer. My $ says speed and accuracy will put the 45 ahead due to recoil management alone. If the ET's are identical, flip a coin.
I'll take 'one in each hand' for 1000, Alex.
But if that's not an option, I'll probably opt for the 10mm.
I think 10 is a very flexible cartridge and I won't say no to the extra capacity.
It is, and I agree on the capacity.
Higher velocity means greater effective range and flatter trajectory also.
With the great bullets available today that expand so nicely, I feel that the gain of permanent wound cavity diameter between 10mm and 45 acp to be minimal enough that the 10mm offers greater advantage in every way.
If I was forced for some bizarre reason to give up one cartridge or the other from my lineup, I would keep the 10mm without question or hesitation. I'd be mighty sad to see my Dan Wesson go, but if I'm talking pure ballistics and non-ballistic advantages and disadvantages, the 10mm wins in every way.
I agree with everything thing you said except parting with the Dan Wesson.
If my options are 10mm Glock or a 45acp Dan Wesson...
You better believe I'd keep the Dan Wesson
I know the internet says I will die on the streets carrying a 1911, but hey... I'll at least die with some class on my hip LOL
My two most common carry guns are a 45 and a 10mm. The 45 is a commander-sized 1911. When I go to a 10mm, it's in a bigger, heavier gun. For me, personally, a duty-sized gun with a bit of heft is required to maintain what I consider an acceptable level of speed-and-accuracy-combined with the 10mm.
Assuming I shoot them equally well (I don't really, I can get the 10mm close to .45 speed but I really have to try hard, not great to need so much focus in a SD situation) I think I'd still go with the .45 against humans.
Don't feel I need the extra punch and penetration against 2 legged threats and the two more rounds doesn't wow me as much as ... 5 more might or so.
My Dad had both, but carried a G19. He carried the G20 hunting. I think he mostly got the G21 because he had a metric crap ton of .45ACP, and had no 1911 at the time. I did carry my G21 for a short time, but my usually carry was and is a PT145. I've never owned a 10mm, and if I did, it'd be a Delta Elite.
I've got 1911's in 45 acp and 10mm including a Delta Elite; I carried the 1911's quite a bit in the past.
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