toivo
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Interesting. Looking at the way the saw teeth are facing, it seems like the more severe wound would be going in, not coming out. Anyway, my K31 bayonet isn't a sawback.
Lets talk about Bayonets. What's your thoughts on getting period correct Bayos for your rifles?
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AlexanderA
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Observations:
- Modern bayonets, such as the U.S. M9, have the sawback. This doesn't seem to be a concern any more.
- The Swiss bayonet was the model for the U.S. Krag bayonet. The rifle was copied from Norway / Denmark, but the bayonet from Switzerland.
- The Krag bayonet is forward-compatible with the Springfields and Garands. In fact, the cadets at West Point continued to use Krag bayonets during the Garand era.
I am not a bayonet collector but I have picked a few over the years.
A couple of scabbards in the top row and the bayonet top right is a copy but the others are military. A couple fit my M1 Carbine, a couple fit M16/AR15, the two on bottom left fit Mausers. The bottom left fits my 1909 Argentine but is not numbered to it. The bottom right is a 1902 Krag bayonet with a scabbard made out of a USGI pistol belt by my sister’s FIL years ago.
A couple of scabbards in the top row and the bayonet top right is a copy but the others are military. A couple fit my M1 Carbine, a couple fit M16/AR15, the two on bottom left fit Mausers. The bottom left fits my 1909 Argentine but is not numbered to it. The bottom right is a 1902 Krag bayonet with a scabbard made out of a USGI pistol belt by my sister’s FIL years ago.
FL-NC
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For the dedicated milsurp collector they make sense. For practical use, not so much.
Bullet Bob
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I don;t know, I have had one of my Swiss bayonets in my yard kit many years for different tasks.
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Rockrivr1
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It's a Japanese Type 30 Bayonet that went to an Arisaka rifle.
Logic does not apply after years of hysterical propaganda. You see it and read it today, the individuals/people being demonized are different, the charges are different, but it is still propaganda.
I read the book German Corpse Factory, which was an exploration of how one crazy rumor started and why. Allied propagandists took up a rumor to claim that the horrible Huns were collecting their war dead, and rendering the corpses into useful fats. If people are fed enough propaganda for long enough, they will believe any crazy story. And woe to those who don't agree with the mob! We have seen that in the modern culture wars.
Turkeytider
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Geeeze! That thing’s about as long as the range of the gun to which it’s attached!
CapnMac
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Technically, A3, a '43 issue, ought use the 10" M1 bayonet, same as the Garand. It would be incredibly appropriate to have one of the "cut down" 1905 bayonets for an A3. But, they just don't "look" right. So, you wind up looking for a 1905 to get the right look. Mind, decent 1905 are running US$200 alone, and the scabbards are a buck-and-a-half to go with.
Artillery units also, and often the sawteeth are reversed in direction, but that's not universal. Both Engineers and redlegs were typically issued carbines which can make for an odd "look" with a long sawback bayonet.
I'm biased, I have a number of bayonets for my rifles.
I also have the M5 bayonet, the KW era "ringless" Garand bayonet. LBE, too.
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I think that is what I have. Metal was all that was left, I added back brass and phenolic.
They are similar but different. Note the ball on the end of the hook (or as I call it "chip shield")in #29 and above and its absence on this Type 30.
.455_Hunter
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I have a few, usually serial matching ones that came with the rifle, like my No. 4, Mk II Lee Enfield and Yugo M48. I also got an M7 for my 20" AR and 590A1. I will probably get an M9 too.
Odessa
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My Dad was stationed in Japan when I was born (mid-50's), he brought this Imperial M-4 back and used it as his hunting, camping, fishing, and general outdoors knife until he gave it to me in 1990 when I was being mobilized for Desert Storm (ended so fast that I didn't deploy). I did however carry it during the Iraqi Campaign in 2003. I built a Carbine in the mid-2000's using a newly made Springfield Armory receiver and one of the GI parts kits being imported in those days. This bayonet has a bit of family history tied to it now, picture of Dad when he was in Japan with the 508th ABN RCT. The patch was from his division at Fort Jackson SC & Fort Campbell KY when he returned to the US in 1956.
Odessa
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During my Army & ARNG service (1973-2005) the only model bayonet I was issued was the M-7 for the M16A1 and M16A2. I bought this one from a surplus outfit to go with my Ruger AR556, it's USA made by Ontario. I had to have an extension device machined for the rifle/bayonet combination by Triple R Products to get the full length of the blade to extend forward (the Ruger lug used slightly different dimensions and Triple R Products stock extender wouldn't fit on the carbine's lug.
Odessa
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I have an Imperial M-5 bayonet for my M-1 Garand and and an AFH M-1 bayonet for my M1903A3 respectively. No photos of them mounted on the rifles.
Odessa
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Utica M-3. Not a bayonet, but issued to Soldiers armed with the M-1 Carbine (before the bayonet lug) and/or sidearms. The blade design is the same as the M-4, M-5, M-6, and M-7.
AlexanderA
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I never understood why Ruger used this non-standard design. In any case, it was enough reason for me not to buy one.
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for a japanese 7.7 or 6.5 rifle.
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My Period Correct Vietnam Era M7 bayonet, along with it's M8A1 sheath, was purchased by me in the early '70s from Sherwood Distributors. I bought magazines, ammo, ammo pouches, G I. cleaning kits, anything I could find, long before I got my AR15!
Odessa
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Gift from a buddy, from his late Dad's MILSURP collection. K98 Bayonet - Carl Eickhorn Solingen - 1944.
22250Rem
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Never planned on getting a bayonet for my 1908 Brazilian Mauser. But about 10 or 12 years ago I was strolling through a gun show and came upon a table filled with various bayonets; found this one that was for a 1908 Brazilian and it came home with me.
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. Never hurts to have period correct stuff for old Mil-Surps.
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. Never hurts to have period correct stuff for old Mil-Surps.
Miami_JBT
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Sharp pokey stabby things are fantastic to collect and use as a tool. Pretty much everyone has been cut and poked. Thus, there's a psychological fear or getting stabbed by an angry man with a bayonet on the end of a rifle/shotgun.
It is an amazing social tool to move people.
It is an amazing social tool to move people.
Riomouse911
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I have a similar US Property marked Savage No. 4 Mk I with the spike bayonet myself.I believe that is the correct bayonet for the K31 Swiss
the saw back bayonet was something that was around from before WW1
Sawback bayonets were something the Engineer battalions were issued, so these guy would have a saw. However when WW1 kicked off, the Allies demonized the Germans to an incredible degree, and in their propaganda claimed the saw teeth were there to cause a more severe wound as the bayonet was withdrawn. As if getting bayoneted was survivable. This WW1 war crime hysteria against the Germans resulted in captured Germans being shot on the spot if they had a sawback bayonet. An original German sawback with its teeth is rare, as the Germans ground the teeth off, to avoid summary execution. I have a German sawback sent as aid to the Turks, and the teeth were ground off.
I really don't know if sawbacks were made after WW1, the saw function was not very good, and then your troops might be shot on the spot if captured.
No one seems to have liked the spike bayonet.
Sure it was lightweight, and it was cheap, (of no concern to anyone but Ordnance) but the thing was, it was useless to cook with, to chop, to cut roots as you dug your foxhole, or to pound with. Bayonet butts got used as hammers.
The Martini Henry and a bayonet are an outstanding combination.
You put a socket bayonet on a Martini Henry, and you will start looking for things to stick with it. The rifle and bayonet are so well balanced, and your reach with a fixed bayonet just gives a person confidence.
Picked them both up for $95 at Big 5 Sporting Goods many years ago.
I have other MilSurps (Garands, M1 Carbine, k98 Mauser, Etc.), and several AR’s with bayonet lugs, but no other bayonets.
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BillTell
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I never felt the desire to go down that rabbit hole... until recently...lol I don't have many Military guns. I have the 1917 Eddystone and a Mauser. I recently decided to look for a bayonet for the Eddystone, and wanted a Remington as opposed to the Winchester, as I thought those two were most closely aligned. I have watched the prices rise over the years like everything else, and decided I wanted something with nice markings and an overall condition to match the gun. I think I found a reasonable match for $200 bucks. Some of the nicer pieces went up to $500 or $600.
As I put the bayonet on for the very first time, and it firmly clicked into place,
I was overwhelmed at the thought of a young soldier affixing this for hand to hand combat for the first time in a foreign land, far away from home, and facing another human being that he needed to kill or be killed by. A horrible and terrifying thought to me. I did not serve in the Military, and cannot truly imagine the horrors of war, and I am thankful to all of you out there, former and current, who keep this country safe for the rest of us to indulge in these now artifacts. Thank you to you all and your families for the sacrifices you made for us.
As I put the bayonet on for the very first time, and it firmly clicked into place,
I was overwhelmed at the thought of a young soldier affixing this for hand to hand combat for the first time in a foreign land, far away from home, and facing another human being that he needed to kill or be killed by. A horrible and terrifying thought to me. I did not serve in the Military, and cannot truly imagine the horrors of war, and I am thankful to all of you out there, former and current, who keep this country safe for the rest of us to indulge in these now artifacts. Thank you to you all and your families for the sacrifices you made for us.