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lets talk double stack .45's

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by AcceptableUserName, Mar 18, 2010.

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  1. AcceptableUserName

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    that are NOT named USP, Xd, G21 or FNP.


    Were there any that could be had for cheap made in years past? Seems like the high-capacity .45 is a newer concept and an acquired taste because of grip size.
     
  2. Gunfighter123

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    Look up information on Para-Ordnance ----- they started the double stack .45s about 20 years ago !!!

    When they first came out { made in Canada } ---- they were a alloy frame ONLY and you had to fit all frame parts { except trigger/mag release etc. } from Colt etc. and use the slide/barrel of your choice.

    A few years later { 1985 ish } they started to make full D.S. guns , first in .45acp.


    EDIT --- IIRC --- the first frames sold for under $300.
     
  3. Gunfighter123

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    As to the grip size ---- I started to shoot a ParaOrd D.S. around 1989 -- custom .38 Super in IPSC competition. I have Smaller hands --- a single stack 1911 fits me like a glove --- it took about 500 rds. to get used to drawing/shooting the D.S. Paras.


    I always said it was like a holding a quart bottle of beer compared to a long neck bottle!!!
     
  4. AcceptableUserName

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    I remembered the Para after I started the thread. How are they? Will they shoot +p just fine? I've never in my life handled a single Para firearm and I've heard probably the most varied amount of either GOOD or TERRIBLE things about the company than any other gun company. They seem a bit pricey too as it's a 1911 design. If I'm spending over 700 I'm going with the USP, that's for sure.


    Just trying to size up that market. I'm a firm believer in the .45 cartridge for anything except price of ammo, but finding a higher capacity one doesn't put a lot of alternatives on the table besides the big 4 or 5.
     
  5. Sapper771

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    Para P14, STI 2011's, Springfield Armory Double Stack Milspec 1911....those are just off the top of my head.

    The P14 is around $800-$1200 depending on which model you choose and in what flavor. The STI 2011s are super nice, but are super expensive too ($1500-$2200). The Springfield armory double stack mil-spec is about the cheapest one. Saw one last week for $650, but I don't know much about them.
     
  6. AcceptableUserName

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    I didn't even know SA had a double stack. I will look long and hard at that even though I'm a foreigner to the 1911. I don't know if they're my thing yet or not.


    I owned an XD 45 5", probably the most accurate pistol I've shot or owned. I am just not a fan of the XD's grip safety. A minor gripe I guess because I liked most everything else about it. The G21 is pretty much even with it, not a fan of the grip angle at all, BUT I like everything else on that one too. The FNP is kind of a darkhorse, I think it seems like a fantastic gun but the low-ish price makes me wonder. Plus there isn't as much aftermarket support for it as the first 2. The gun itself though seems like it would fit me like a glove. I love my Sig P220 but I want more capacity in my next gun.

    For these reasons, the USP is the frontrunner though theres plenty to not like about it, 60 dollar magazines especially.
     
  7. hawkass13

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    Here's a pic of mine.
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    She shoots great. It is a para frame with colt slide. It takes P-14 mags, which I recently discovered are expensive. Otherwise it eats whatever i feed it and has a sweet trigger.
     
  8. dom1104

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    the CZ 97 is double stack.

    You got the EAA witness, Kimber used to have a Ten II gun, I would think the M&P would have been mentioned before now yes?

    I did not know about the Springfield either that is interesting.

    If I was going for a double stack 45 I think I would probably save my pennies and go for some sort of race gun. STI or what have you.

    If the M&P was ruled out for some reason. If not M&P all the way.
     
  9. NG VI

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    You don't want to spend too much, but the reasonable price of an FNP concerns you?

    Just curious, other than magazines and holsters (FNP comes with three magazines, brilliant) and maybe night sights, what else would you expect to want to do to a poly framed service auto?

    The FNPs have a really smooth trigger, I always liked that about mine, and the sights they have are superb. They are very clear, visible, and low profile. I haven't used sights I liked better, except for the all black ones on my S&W 28-2.
     
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    Don't fight it. Treat yourself and get the HK!

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  11. twice barrel

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    Somewhere in my owners manual (pamphlet) for my RIA Tactical it references a 1911A1 as single stack and A2 as double stack. Is this a standard?

    TB
     
  12. THplanes

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    The M&P and the EAA Witness are not true double stack guns as a result the magazines are only 10 rounds. Taurus full size have a 12 round capacity.
     
  13. W.E.G.

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    I had a Para Ordnance.

    Nice looking gun, functioned 100%.

    Except that 50% of the time it threw the spent cases back at my face.
    Modified the ejector. Still threw cases at me.
    Got rid of it.
     
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    How about an M&P? I have the .45c and it's awesome. I'm not so sure about it being "compact", but it's a great gun.
     
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    I've got a Para high capacity P14 variant, a P14.45 Limited with ambi safety and Para's Bomar-type target rear sight. The auto is a few years old now (2003).

    I've shot 1911s for years, as well as S&W revolvers and the LDA trigger is a lot like a Smith double action trigger pull . . . or so they say.

    Nice gun . . . different, in a um . . . DIFFERENT way. I kind of like it!

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    Last year at a WMA range in GA, I shot a local fellows Kimber poly framed double stack. They were made by BUL in Israel. Too big for my hands but it was an accurate and nicely built pistol.

    Will
     
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    Never been a big fan of any of them, yet I own 2

    I have a couple I'm thinking of getting rid of actually. The para is my favorite of these two. It's 100% reliable and ridiculously accurate for it's size. Brand new extractor, wolf springs and 500 rounds through it to test out the new parts and extractor fitment. I almost hate to get rid of the para as it is one sweet shooter. The extra heft and thickness caused by the double stack nature seems to soak up recoil. With rosewood grips it isn't too bad looking, either. The kimber is just a nice shooter all around. I don't dislike anything about it, I just don't love it. I do like being able to spend less time reloading when I target practice compared to my regular 8 shot 1911 mags.

    I like the idea of a double stack 45, but it's just too thick for anything short of open carry on the 1911(ish) platform.

    Here are internet pics.
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    They just aren't for me. Maybe someone with a larger frame that could actually conceal them without a trench coat.

    I'll keep all of my future 45's in single stack metal and wood, and my plastic wonders in 357, 9 or 40 thank you very much. :neener:
     
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    If you want to get technical about it, neither is any other handgun, save the Grendel P30/Kel-Tec PMR-30.

    They were kept to 10 rounds to maintain a smaller grip circumference, though there are 14 round M&P mags that extend slightly below the grip.
     
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    I have a Para P-13, been worked-on but still unreliable for self defense IMO. Gotta be fanatical about changing mag springs.

    My Wilson Combat KZ45 is reliable and unbelievably accurate. Just don't like the doublestack grip in .45ACP. If you have big hands, this is worth considering.

    If I were to get another plastic, I'd choose the M&P.
     
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    RIA 1911-A2 is a double stack 45.. i think it can use Para's mags too..

    Beretta PX4..

    STI 2011..

    Caspian Arms..

    ENTREPRISE ARMS TACTICAL 500..

    SVI Infinity..

    IMI Baby Eagle/Jericho/EAA Witness/Tangfolio/CZ
     
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    If you can find a used, standard Para-Ordnance P13-45 or 14-45 they can be had quite reasonably. I've had 2, a standard stainless 14 and my current P14-45 Limited. Both very reliable and great shooters. sold the stainless as it had a few scratches that I didn't put there and it bothered me (I'm weird that way). The grip frame is wide but comfy (for me) to shoot. The grip panels are quite thin. Some have been burned by Para and won't try another but I've had great luck with mine. (both were Canadian made, mid-90s ones).
     
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    Here's my double stack. It's a Charles Daley DDA. The mags it use are 10 rounders. I have heard they can use the early kimber 1911 13 rounders. Mark

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  23. FTSESQ

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    I have a Plain Jane Para-Ord P14. She ain't real purdy, but she shoots! Super reliable- eats anything you can jam into a mag. Never a hiccup. Accurate as heck- much more accurate than a bare bones 1911 has any right to be. With good ammo (she likes 200gr semi wadcutters) 2" 25yd groups are doable with care. Like I said, not too pretty, but she preforms.

    All that aside, If you want a double stack 45, the HK USP45 is a phenomenal weapon. I can't speak highly enough of them.
     
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    Bersa Ultra Compact 45 in the now discontinued stainless...

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    Without those four there is not much to talk about
     
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