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Letter exchange with gun-banner

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by MicroBalrog, Jun 20, 2003.

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  1. MicroBalrog

    MicroBalrog member

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    Here's my letter exchange with a Washington Post Journalist.

    His answer:

    And MY answer:


    He has replied yet. :D

    The article discussed can be found here

    If you want to drop him a kind word - fisherm@washpost.com is the ticket
     
  2. geekWithA.45

    geekWithA.45 Moderator Emeritus

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    Booyah!

    Antis: Ya shine a light on em, and they either grow, or scuttle for the darkness.
     
  3. MicroBalrog

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    I know for fact he read it - read receipts are cool. I wonder whether he'll write something about it in his paper...
    I enjoy doing it to antis...:evil: :rolleyes:
     
  4. pytron

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    Excellent reply to the saying "guns are only meant to kill". I may have to use that one...

    -Pytron
     
  5. Elmer Snerd

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    Wasn't "Thou shalt not kill" originally written as "Thou shalt not murder?
     
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  7. jacketch

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    Reason has no place in the mind of an anti.

    All decisions concerning firearms are emotion based.
     
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    This idjit really needs to check his facts. IIRC, Canadians own a crapload of guns (along with many other countries) although they have to register them now. Where did he come up with this?

    GT
     
  9. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    Good work MicroBalog. You zinged him with the "original" quote and not the King James translation many grew up with.:)

    Jacketch - how right you are re: reason in the mind of antis. Kudos.
     
  10. Meowhead

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    Good job! :D

    I'm curious whether you'll actually get a second response though.
     
  11. Archie

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    The word for kill or murder in the Hebrew is
    "ratsach {raw-tsakh'};
    1) to murder, slay, kill
    a) (Qal) to murder, slay
    1) premeditated
    2) accidental
    3) as avenger
    4) slayer (intentional) (participle)
    b) (Niphal) to be slain
    c) (Piel)
    1) to murder, assassinate
    2) murderer, assassin (participle)(subst)
    d) (Pual) to be killed

    The meaning has to be taken in context. From the other commandments involving the death penalty, the only reasonable meaning of the commandment in Exodus 20:13 is "You will not commit murder."

    The idea this is a blanket injunction against any and all uses of deadly force is a very narrow and naive view. It flies in the face of the death penalty being in force by the same commandments ordering the Ten Commandments.

    Archie the Preacher
    Pastor, First Southern Baptist Church, Signal Hill, PDSR California. (Right in between Sodom and Gomorrah!)
     
  12. Mr. James

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    MB,

    Excellent job. You know more of the Catholic Church's position on self-defense than, sadly, most Catholics.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church also speaks emphatically of the Christian duty to defend one's own life, and the duty to be willing to defend the lives of others, from lawless attack.

    For those who didn't click on the link provided by MicroBalrog, the Gabriel Possenti Society is petitioning the Church to have St. Possenti (died 1862, canonized 1920) recognized as the patron saint of handgunners - interesting bio there.

    Peace, y'all.
     
  13. mec

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    I suspect your anti-gun newspaper man has done been trumped. he is no doubt unaccustomed to reasoned thought -particularly when it is delivered with such orderly, Rabbinical precision.

    {Possenti has at least one miricle toward his apotheosis- hitting that lizard certainly qualifies.}
     
  14. Don Gwinn

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    So, essentially, he ain't going to respond to any silly nonsense about Saint Possenti? Nor will he respond to people who point out that Christ himself supposedly told his followers that they were to get swords since they would need them?

    Let's try this:

     
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    washington post journalist - an oxymoron of truely epic proportions.:neener:
     
  16. Dionysusigma

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    http://home.sprynet.com/~frfrog/stpossen.htm

    Not only the patron saint of handgunners, but of marksmen...
    At the bottom is a caption that reads: "The obverse [side of the medallion] reads: "For Christian efforts in the preservation of the right of self defense against evil and tyranny. February 27, 2001."
     
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    Why do so many christians forget that little part of the Old Testament where God told the Israelites to go into the land of Caanan and pretty much kill anything that moved. In one city, he told them to kill every man, woman, child, and their animals!

    God has nothing against killing... nor even being the agressor.
     
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    Mark Twain mentioned that. he had a pre-bolderized version of King James and quoted " Kill all that pisseth against the wall." Figurative, of course. they killed all that pisseth upon the ground also.
     
  19. Minute_Of_Torso

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    For other relevant portions of Scripture (if you're interested) I would recommend Nehemiah - specifically the portions where Nehemiah required armed guards during the reconstruction of the walls of Jerusalem and for everyone who could carry an arm or a shield to be prepared to fight for their families. It was even required that the men be armed when going for water for refreshment.

    The command to take Canaan, and the part about killing even the women and children, requires a little bit more theological discernment than merely "God has nothing against killing." It's a rather involved discussion so I'll not begin it unless asked.
     
  20. ImJustRick

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    Source, please?

    Awesome thread.

    MicroBalrog, could you please let me know who the possek is? My frum parents are antis, and I would be delighted to explain how CCW fits into halacha.

    Thanks!

    -R
     
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