Greg L
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Gotcha thanks.
Yep, lots of psych warfare going on here too
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Greg
Yep, lots of psych warfare going on here too
.Greg
Letter to the public from an Officer
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TFW, I understand the practical reasons for not writing certain people tickets, but I think it's a terrible policy. It creates a "special people" class, in this case, people the cops want to be on friendly terms with. Lawyers, firemen, active military. Then there's "everyone else." And then there are "bad people who often complain," who always get tickets (or written warnings).
Cops don't like it when we non-cops label them because of the actions of "bad" cops, yet that's exactly what some of those same cops do when they selectively give tickets. All hot women are going to complain if you don't ticket. All lawyers and firemen are going to exact vengeance on you for a traffic ticket if they can. If not all, why are you justified in your discrimination against certain people, but I'm not justified in being non-cooperative with cops? A cop who stops me is just doing his/her job until they prove otherwise, right? Well, that hot young thing you gave a ticket, or the lawyer you didn't ticket... they were just driving along minding their own business, too. You certainly don't know that the former will file a complaint, or that the latter will make your life Hell in court.
Cops don't like it when we non-cops label them because of the actions of "bad" cops, yet that's exactly what some of those same cops do when they selectively give tickets. All hot women are going to complain if you don't ticket. All lawyers and firemen are going to exact vengeance on you for a traffic ticket if they can. If not all, why are you justified in your discrimination against certain people, but I'm not justified in being non-cooperative with cops? A cop who stops me is just doing his/her job until they prove otherwise, right? Well, that hot young thing you gave a ticket, or the lawyer you didn't ticket... they were just driving along minding their own business, too. You certainly don't know that the former will file a complaint, or that the latter will make your life Hell in court.
Michigander
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And how does a cop know someone is a lawyer? Do the lawyers make it obvious somehow, like their business card shows when they get their ID or something? A special license plate? A sticker in the rear window?
sm
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Private citizen here.
Red lights flash, pull over , jump out raise hood ,exclaim " accelerator linkage stuck" . You can get by with that about two or three times. Eventually " son, that linkage is always getting stuck on this stretch of road...yes the other officers and I do communicate".
Fast forward some years and you know, have known a few LEOs and some undercover. [have assisted with some things] UC sees Blue Lights flashing , stops, tells the officer " his accelerator linkage stuck he is good". Younger officer is scratching head -"in a fuel injected truck? "
Red lights flash, pull over , jump out raise hood ,exclaim " accelerator linkage stuck" . You can get by with that about two or three times. Eventually " son, that linkage is always getting stuck on this stretch of road...yes the other officers and I do communicate".
Fast forward some years and you know, have known a few LEOs and some undercover. [have assisted with some things] UC sees Blue Lights flashing , stops, tells the officer " his accelerator linkage stuck he is good". Younger officer is scratching head -"in a fuel injected truck? "
Tom Servo
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Weasel, there's a good chance we may have met. Were you APD or county? I used to work 3rd shifts for QT all around Division 2 and 5, as well as Riverdale and Tara blvd areas. When I got transferred up to Woodstock, I practically kissed the ground
I'm going to forward this to a few of my friends and print out a couple of copies for the officers that work my shift. There's no way I could do your job for $35k/yr and remain sane or honest. Stay safe!
I'm going to forward this to a few of my friends and print out a couple of copies for the officers that work my shift. There's no way I could do your job for $35k/yr and remain sane or honest. Stay safe!
confinedbythecurtain
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Amen to that. It really pisses me off when idiots dont yield to LEOs or Fire/EMT.
I'd like to add: Unless your best buddy/drinking pal/cubicle mate/stranger on the train has a bar card, or can show you a Law School diploma, don't take his legal advice to heart.
Yes, a deputy sheriff can write a ticket anywhere in the county he likes - including the Interstate.
Yes, a Highway Patrol Trooper can arrest you inside the city limits.
No, the court does not tear up all your tickets and warrants on your 18th birthday.
If I've been chasing you with lights and sirens on for the last mile, and you manage to jump up on your porch before I get my paws on you, I am not going to stop, turn around and go downtown to get a arrest warrant.
Breath mints don't cover up the smell of alcohol.
Refusing to blow in the Breathalyzer does not mean the cops don't have a case. And we're not going to let you walk out of the jail, either.
In a similar vein, any legal tricks protrayed by Hollywood either on the evening TV dramas, or on the big screen should probably be run by a real lawyer before you attempt them, in particular:
Punching your wife in the mouth in front of the cops and then putting up your hands will result in a butt-kicking in the Real World.
Threats are not covered under your First Amendment rights. In the Real World hissing threats of dire bodily injury to someone else while being handcuffed will result in extra charges showing up at your arraignment.
Threatening the arresting officer's family with rape, serious bodily injury and/or death while being handcuffed will also result in extra charges, and if you try to tell the arraigning judge that the First Amendment applies, she's going to make fun of you in public.
In Texas, the cops are not "required to negotiate" with hostage takers. If you come out of a house holding your sister-in-law hostage, we will shoot your ass first chance we get. Deal with it. And I don't think that cops in California are "required to negotiate" either -- I think you got lucky that time.
LawDog
Yes, a deputy sheriff can write a ticket anywhere in the county he likes - including the Interstate.
Yes, a Highway Patrol Trooper can arrest you inside the city limits.
No, the court does not tear up all your tickets and warrants on your 18th birthday.
If I've been chasing you with lights and sirens on for the last mile, and you manage to jump up on your porch before I get my paws on you, I am not going to stop, turn around and go downtown to get a arrest warrant.
Breath mints don't cover up the smell of alcohol.
Refusing to blow in the Breathalyzer does not mean the cops don't have a case. And we're not going to let you walk out of the jail, either.
In a similar vein, any legal tricks protrayed by Hollywood either on the evening TV dramas, or on the big screen should probably be run by a real lawyer before you attempt them, in particular:
Punching your wife in the mouth in front of the cops and then putting up your hands will result in a butt-kicking in the Real World.
Threats are not covered under your First Amendment rights. In the Real World hissing threats of dire bodily injury to someone else while being handcuffed will result in extra charges showing up at your arraignment.
Threatening the arresting officer's family with rape, serious bodily injury and/or death while being handcuffed will also result in extra charges, and if you try to tell the arraigning judge that the First Amendment applies, she's going to make fun of you in public.
In Texas, the cops are not "required to negotiate" with hostage takers. If you come out of a house holding your sister-in-law hostage, we will shoot your ass first chance we get. Deal with it. And I don't think that cops in California are "required to negotiate" either -- I think you got lucky that time.
LawDog
Tom Servo
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Of course, that's not what I tell the drunks who come through on a Saturday night. They seem to think that menthol cigarettes and half a pack of Doublemint will let them cruise right through the roadblock down the street. Who am I to shatter their precious illusions?
Same goes for patchouli (sp?) incense and pot. I love it when the 19-year-old hippies come through, reeking of incense and stale pot. "Hey, there's cops out, you got any Visine?" Yeah sure, they're not going to notice the dilated pupils or watering eyes.
Very frequently, the local police will go ahead and pull folks over and conduct the field-tests in our parking lot. It's pure cinema watching some of them. The plain fact is, if you fail the first one, you're not going to make friends with the officer by insisting he put you through the whole battery.
Oh, and that German Shepherd? He's not sniffing at your car to make friends.
LiquidTension
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Don't forget this advice: "Don't speed up to avoid an accident. Just let the guy hit you, otherwise we'll write you a ticket for speeding."
Yes, it happened to me.
Yes, it happened to me.
SMMAssociates
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Russian Roulette?
Actually, the problem with speeding up is that it may be impossible to prove that you were avoiding an accident. The Officer that sees you a few seconds later may never know, and may not respond well to that sort of excuse.
Most states will have laws that favor citing a motorist who could have avoided an accident, but didn't.... You kind of have to park in the middle of an intersection to learn about this, but it happens.
I don't know about the speeding ticket, but I think I'd rather have that than take a chance on the other guy's car being a better battering ram, not to mention the hassle factor of getting a car fixed, etc.
Painfully, that actually is good advice, but you really should try to avoid the accident anyway. As a rent-a-cop, I really don't want to say "we", but somebody may get you on that too if possible....
Actually, the problem with speeding up is that it may be impossible to prove that you were avoiding an accident. The Officer that sees you a few seconds later may never know, and may not respond well to that sort of excuse.
Most states will have laws that favor citing a motorist who could have avoided an accident, but didn't.... You kind of have to park in the middle of an intersection to learn about this, but it happens.
I don't know about the speeding ticket, but I think I'd rather have that than take a chance on the other guy's car being a better battering ram, not to mention the hassle factor of getting a car fixed, etc.
firearms_instructor
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jnojr:
Yeah, but who's to say that the girls who choose to be with crackhead creep are worth having?
Remember, you just haven't found her YET. She might be just around the corner.
Cheers!
Yeah, but who's to say that the girls who choose to be with crackhead creep are worth having?
Remember, you just haven't found her YET. She might be just around the corner.
Cheers!
TheFederalistWeasel
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I agree but I too have seen many rather beautiful girls with some of the dirtiest scumbags you’ve ever seen.
I just locked up a beautiful lady, just 22 years old for possession of marijuana and I KNOW, I JUST KNOW it was not hers but her skinny, zit ridden, tattoo covered, punk@$$ boyfriend.
But when I found it, it was in her purse or bag and she told me it was hers. I looked at her, looked at him and said yeah, whatever.
When we got both down to booking I had to get all up in his face for yelling at her, bitch do this bitch do that, call yo mama and you better bail my ass outta her.
Every time he said something she would jump, I finally took her up front to the Investigations conference room. Bought her a soda and candy bar and gave her a phone, told her to call whomever she needed talk in private as long as she wanted that she would be O.R. bonded anyway, for her just to have someone come a pick her up.
I see this a lot and it puzzles me and kinda makes me wonder if I’m the one doing it all wrong. I have been told more times than I care to remember that I’m too nice.
*** is that?
SMMAssociates
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Weasel:
You're doing it right....
For some reason, I remember being a teenager (I'll count that 22-year-old as one), at 58, although my wife doesn't, nor do many of my friends.
There is something going on here - hormonal, drugs, drug side effects, whatever, that seems to bind kids together, and to help them make incredibly stupid decisions for reasons they probably can't articulate.
(My wife can't quite deal with our 18-year-old daughter, who's living with my little sister in another town now, attending college. Amicable move, btw.)
Sometimes we have to set a good example and just be there to catch them if they didn't notice. Eventually they reach maturity if they're lucky and Darwin doesn't get 'em.
A friend of mine, who's the PIO at the Township PD, once complained about a citizen reading him off for cuffing a DUI kid. The usual "why aren't you out there arresting real criminals?" thing. His response, as would be mine, was that he was trying to keep this kid alive, which is a lot more important than dealing with the "real criminals" boosting a car stereo or whatever. "We'll get them eventually; this is necessary now."
Maybe that kid will go home and straighten out his act. Or not.... But, for now, he's got the choice, and some of those "programs" that the PD's work with (we've got a good alcohol/drug program here for kids) may do the job.
(They used to have a diversion program run by two little girls. It worked pretty well, but I think boys were getting themselves into the program just to look at them.)
(I sure thought about it
. Kinda like two Jessica Simpson clones....)
Time was the Officer on the beat would put things right, help the kids straighten out, find the missing cat, etc. Today we tend to run from call to call and barely have time to know where the coffee and restroom stops are. All those "Community Oriented" buzzword things either don't work at all or run out of money. Nobody wants to pay for the kind of saturation we used to have, and it sure seems that the crimes are a lot nastier, too, in many cases.
But we still try.... When you quit feeling like trying, it's time to hang it up.
You're doing it right....
For some reason, I remember being a teenager (I'll count that 22-year-old as one), at 58, although my wife doesn't, nor do many of my friends.
There is something going on here - hormonal, drugs, drug side effects, whatever, that seems to bind kids together, and to help them make incredibly stupid decisions for reasons they probably can't articulate.
(My wife can't quite deal with our 18-year-old daughter, who's living with my little sister in another town now, attending college. Amicable move, btw.)
Sometimes we have to set a good example and just be there to catch them if they didn't notice. Eventually they reach maturity if they're lucky and Darwin doesn't get 'em.
A friend of mine, who's the PIO at the Township PD, once complained about a citizen reading him off for cuffing a DUI kid. The usual "why aren't you out there arresting real criminals?" thing. His response, as would be mine, was that he was trying to keep this kid alive, which is a lot more important than dealing with the "real criminals" boosting a car stereo or whatever. "We'll get them eventually; this is necessary now."
Maybe that kid will go home and straighten out his act. Or not.... But, for now, he's got the choice, and some of those "programs" that the PD's work with (we've got a good alcohol/drug program here for kids) may do the job.
(They used to have a diversion program run by two little girls. It worked pretty well, but I think boys were getting themselves into the program just to look at them.)
(I sure thought about it
. Kinda like two Jessica Simpson clones....)Time was the Officer on the beat would put things right, help the kids straighten out, find the missing cat, etc. Today we tend to run from call to call and barely have time to know where the coffee and restroom stops are. All those "Community Oriented" buzzword things either don't work at all or run out of money. Nobody wants to pay for the kind of saturation we used to have, and it sure seems that the crimes are a lot nastier, too, in many cases.
But we still try.... When you quit feeling like trying, it's time to hang it up.
Ivy Mike
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My grandfather (LAPD 25 years and LVMPD crime lab 20 more) had a great response anytime somebody gave him a line about filling a quota (traffic tickets).
He'd say "Naw, I don't have a quota, they told me I could write as many tickets as I want! Have a nice day"
He'd say "Naw, I don't have a quota, they told me I could write as many tickets as I want! Have a nice day"
SMMAssociates
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Great....
A friend of mine was a pro at "Press firmly, you're signing five copies", but I don't think he used that one.
Weasel: Just happened to think. One of the things I learned in my mis-spent youth on CompuServe is that the missing socks are actually sacrificed to Revolvo-Lavo, the god of the washing machine agitator. If you don't put an extra in there for him, he'll just take one....
There's also a god of the right front hubcap. I discovered that while teaching my daughter to drive. For some reason we always ended up on roads with no shoulder, a little traffic, and a car about as wide as Rhode Island.... (Well, not really, but when she went to the State's required driving school, they used a Ford Focus. Got her into a Taurus and she kind of got lost in it. We started with a Town Car - she couldn't see the fenders. Too far away.... At least she passed. She was very nervous, but when the kid ahead of her totally screwed up the maneuvering test - kinda like parallel parking but harder - she relaxed enough to ace it.)
Clean: See if your grandfather knows Dennis Cobb. Then ask Dennis what happened when he stepped off a curb in London.
Regards,
My kinda guy....
A friend of mine was a pro at "Press firmly, you're signing five copies", but I don't think he used that one.
Weasel: Just happened to think. One of the things I learned in my mis-spent youth on CompuServe is that the missing socks are actually sacrificed to Revolvo-Lavo, the god of the washing machine agitator. If you don't put an extra in there for him, he'll just take one....
There's also a god of the right front hubcap. I discovered that while teaching my daughter to drive. For some reason we always ended up on roads with no shoulder, a little traffic, and a car about as wide as Rhode Island.... (Well, not really, but when she went to the State's required driving school, they used a Ford Focus. Got her into a Taurus and she kind of got lost in it. We started with a Town Car - she couldn't see the fenders. Too far away.... At least she passed. She was very nervous, but when the kid ahead of her totally screwed up the maneuvering test - kinda like parallel parking but harder - she relaxed enough to ace it.)
Clean: See if your grandfather knows Dennis Cobb. Then ask Dennis what happened when he stepped off a curb in London.
Regards,
Zach S
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Thats one of the last lines I'd use for the simple fact its over-used from what I understand. I actually did use it once, it was about 0300 on a Sunday morning. He had the perfect plan to catch me in a lie. He told me to start the car. The tach had swung up to about 6 grand before and the valves were floating by the time I turned it back off. First words out of his mouth were "Well, thats a first..."
He held the flashlight while I un-stuck it. I fixed it properly the next day.
One of my favorite responses is "We dont have time because of the speeders/drunks/drag racers/whatever taking up all our time."
Sorry, not happening. I have been stopped once for avoiding an accident. Had I thought about an exit stratagy, I probably could have thought of a better one, however it would have been after I hit the kid. I didn't think, I reacted. Though I didnt speed up, the time I got stopped was when a kid on a bike rode into my lane (two-lane w/ center turn lane) and I swerved to miss. The officer was coming towards me in the other lane as I slid through the turn lane. He quickly turned around to stop me, I already had my signal on to turn into a parking lot. When he got to the window and after the usual exchange, I told him what happened. He took my word for it because he did notice a kid on a bike, but a fish-tailing Fairmont is a pretty good distraction... I dont know if he usually worked in this area or not (or if he still does), if so theres no telling how many times he saw me not doing something stupid so that may have had a hand in it.
The second time I did speed up. Have no idea how fast I was going when I lifted. Someone was coming down the Brevard Rd on-ramp onto I-240W, and theres no merging lane for it. None. Here comes this little blue car flying down the ramp and the driver seemed to be determined to get the spot I was in, it was clear in front of me, congested behind me and the hammer was occupied, so I punched it. The white Crown Vic behind me that I had been wondering about did turn out to be an un-marked car. Dude in the little blue car cut off a cop. Guess who got stopped
Now, I'm always in the hammer when I go through there.
SMMAssociates
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Zach:
I never got stopped for it, but one of my cars had an aftermarket cruise control in it. Similar to the design that Ford was still using on the '89 Town Car I got rid of in '99. No idea what Ford did in my "new" (it began it's life as a rental in Orlando; there are still suntan lotion stains on the seatbelts!) TC - I'm still looking for the engine. At some point the chain that they used to move the throttle got stuck somehow, and could hold the throttle in "high speed" mode. I disconnected it about the second time, but I gave the car to my brother-in-law to detail pre-sale and he re-attached it! Once....
Fortunately, no damage done either by myself or my BIL, nor did we exceed the posted limits by enough to encourage a passing LEO, but that time I removed some other parts so it wouldn't happen again.
I haven't been in SC for about ten years, which probably makes SLED happy....
I can't tell you how many times similar things have happened to me on I-85 around Greenville & Spartanburg SC. If I stay in the left lane, somebody (usually a BIG truck) wants me to move over. If I stay in the right lane, that little blue car (well, it's usually a big rusty pickup but....) is there all the time.
I never got stopped for it, but one of my cars had an aftermarket cruise control in it. Similar to the design that Ford was still using on the '89 Town Car I got rid of in '99. No idea what Ford did in my "new" (it began it's life as a rental in Orlando; there are still suntan lotion stains on the seatbelts!) TC - I'm still looking for the engine. At some point the chain that they used to move the throttle got stuck somehow, and could hold the throttle in "high speed" mode. I disconnected it about the second time, but I gave the car to my brother-in-law to detail pre-sale and he re-attached it! Once....
Fortunately, no damage done either by myself or my BIL, nor did we exceed the posted limits by enough to encourage a passing LEO, but that time I removed some other parts so it wouldn't happen again.
I haven't been in SC for about ten years, which probably makes SLED happy....
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