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Levis Now Pro Actively Anti Gun

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  1. rpenmanparker

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    Not so. We recovered from a similar environment after the Civil War. I just hope it doesn’t take that kind of catastrophe to reunite us this time.
     
  2. rpenmanparker

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    Buying jeans has nothing to do with beliefs about guns. Making this a tribal environment will destroy us.
     
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    What liberals don’t seem to understand is that when you reward bad behavior you get MORE of it.
     
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    Your blaming everything on the other side is both wrong and pointless. It accomplishes nothing toward resolution. The fault is, in fact, shared. To think otherwise is self-defeating. For a store to say I don’t support guns but I will sell you some jeans is not forcing anyone’s will on anyone. It is just doing business.

    It is so easy for you when you say that everyone who does not exactly support your views on gun ownership is trying to take your guns away. Of course that is absurd. If you could just believe the polls, you would see that most folks, the majority that would carry an election, just want some feel good reassurance. Some folks want to take away your guns, but not enough to matter. Numbers count, no pun intended.
     
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    We are in a death spiral and are bringing the cause down. Intrsigence will avail us not. Like trickle-down economics, this strategy for protecting the 2A is doomed from the outset. And besides, there is plenty of bad behavior on both sides.
     
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    There may be hope yet...the New York Times is reporting that levis is getting ready to go public.
     
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    I guess you didn’t see this in he OP:

    “Second, I’m proud to announce that Levi Strauss & Co. is partnering with Everytown for Gun Safety and executives including Michael Bloomberg”

    Levi’s is actively working to erode the Second Amendment. There should be a penalty for that.
     
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  8. rpenmanparker

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    And what? A public company BOD is going to come out pro gun? On what planet? What is so hard to understand? We are the minority.
     
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    Why? The 2A is what the court says it is. They are not trying to erode the 2A. They are trying to erode the CURRENT OPINION OF WHAT THE 2A MEANS. The sooner you realize there is no inherent truth in this matter, just different opinions scrabbling for supremacy, the more effectively you will be able to fight for your side.
     
  10. Rudolph31

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    Trickle Down Economics is a pejorative term used by Socialists for a Market Economy that that brings about prosperity.

    Boycotts work. It wasn’t Rosa Parks that changed the Montgomery bus system policy but the boycott that followed.

    To make it as simple as possible, if someone pisses me off, I won’t shop in their store. Levi’s has pissed me off.
     
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    Ah, another Liberal lie. The Second Amendment means what it says, which is what the Founding Fathers meant it to mean. Not whatever you can get some activist judge to say it means.
     
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    No, not a lie. Reality. Your rejection of the truth staring you in the face will be the undoing of your struggle. All words are subject to the understanding of those who hear or read them. Words mean what people think they mean. And the people who matter here are the SC justices. No golden hand of a deity will come down and point to what is right and what is wrong. Only the court is empowered to do that. I’ll say it again. Your belief in your interpretation of the 2A as a religious-like truth will defeat all your efforts. When you accept that the 2A is subject to interpretation, you will finally have a chance of success.
     
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    When there are bills up in congress to take guns away, it's real. I get alerts weekly on various state and national bills. It's a strawman to say everyone who doesn't support my views and that's not what I said. Levi's is donating to groups supported by Bloomberg who has specially stated he wants to take away people's guns. Yes, I am blaming people like Bloomberg.
     
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    No one said it wasn’t real. I said folks don’t know how to fight it.
     
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    It has been a while since I visited this thread - sorry.

    We do not forbid what employees do on their own time. Our dictate only revolves around what they wear to work and for work functions. Further we encourage employees by helping to pay for alternate products which I suspect most other companies do not do. An employer has, as they should, every right to dictate things related to employee appearance and image. Our company policies are written and shared with prospective employees before they go to work for us, so any prospective employee has a right to say, "No thanks" and accept someone else's job offer.

    Every company has a corporate culture, and in my experience, the larger the company, the more it is enforced. I had an Uncle (now deceased) who was a V.P. at Cat before he retired. He worked his way up the ranks starting in the foundry before graduating from college. They had very detailed manuals that included where you were expected to live (which changed as you moved up the ranks), the brands of clothing you were expected to wear (which also changed as you moved up the ranks), how you were to expected to wear your hair (again, it changed as you moved up), and what organizations you were expected to join and participate in. He moved eight times all in the Peoria area, and changed his wardrobe and hair numerous times over the years. Even his wife was expected to be involved in local organizations which changed as he moved up.

    He loved playing baseball and basketball, but as he moved up, he learned to play golf and tennis. Our employees are given every chance to participate in the shooting sports. It isn't mandatory, but if they choose not to participate they do miss networking opportunities. Each company develops its own culture, often based on the CEO's own tastes. It is just the way it is.

    All of this is pretty normal at large companies. Following the rules certainly paid off for him. If someone didn't like those rules they could always go to work somewhere else.

    What we do with our much smaller company is nowhere near as intrusive.
     
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    Buying jeans shouldn’t have anything to do with guns BUT when the profit made fro the jeans I buy is then given to people trying to erode rights and freedoms I currently have. Then THEY have absolutely made buying jeans about guns....
    I didn't do it, They did... maybe you should then a letter.
     
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    "Political" boycotts never work. I was in the market for pants this week, and the thought of boycotting companies never entered my mind. I was looking for price, quality, and, most importantly, finding my size. I ended up buying a pair of Haggars and a pair of Lees. If anything, I should have been concerned that they were made with sweatshop labor in Bangladesh and Mexico.
     
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    My boycott is just theoretical. Forty years ago Levi’s fit great. Somewhere along the way they must have changed their pattern as they’re no longer comfortable.
     
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    I have worked for three major corporations and never encountered the kind of control you describe regarding where to live or what to wear. And I have visited with hundreds more. Still never seen or heard of what you describe. Maybe a dress policy in a headquarters building for example, but that just pertained to shirt and tie for men or something like that. The idea that each level on the ladder has its own dress code is absurd. Brand specificity is unheard of in the corporate world at large. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it is illegal.
     
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    I work in an industrial environment, for a Fortune 500 company. We are told the exact shirt we can wear. Which brand and color, we can (normally) pick cotton or polyester, we are also allowed to pick long or short sleeve. We are allowed an optional under shirt, so long as it has sleeves and is solid white.

    They don’t care much about pants, a couple years back they even began allowing some people, with permission, to wear jean shorts.

    Not as bad as Henry Ford, among other things he’d send people to your house to ensure it was presentable and didn’t have to many people living there. If you were In Violation you were given a time frame to have it fixed or you would be fired.

    Fortunately, this is a gun fourm and none of this matters, the man can run his business how he wants. And just like Levi’s if we don’t like it we don’t have to give them business, assuming he doesn’t have a monopoly.
     
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    Robert - As another poster wrote - this is a gun forum and what we are discussing is irrelevant. I'm surprised the moderators haven't jumped on us already. We can agree to disagree and let it go.
     
  22. rpenmanparker

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    Works for me.
     
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    After is the operable word in your statement. After. And that's all I have to say about that.
     
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    You must be missing the part where they take gun owners' money and then spend it on efforts to oppress them.

    Are those the same polls that said Hillary Clinton would win by a land slide?

    "Feel good reassurance" will ultimately lead to abrogation of our rights. Australia and enacted "feel good reassurances" after the 1996 Port Arthur shooting. New Zealand is already promising even more "feel good reassurances."
     
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    And here you go. Complete ban on all military type and all semiauto guns, along with $200 million dollars for a mandatory buy back.

    But no, no one wants to take any guns away.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ns-used-in-mosque-mass-shooting-idUSKCN1R205Z
     
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