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Liberals Urged to Take on 'Right-Wing Nuts' on Talk Radio

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  1. Desertdog

    Desertdog Senior Member

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    CENSORSHIP? Not arccording to liberals, progresssives and commies.
    Let me see now the right wing has no equal time?
    What about ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, MSNBC, CNN, NY Times, Air America, LA Times, to name a few.
    OK, so they don't get listened to? So, say something somebody wants to hear. Buy the time and say whatever you want.


    Liberals Urged to Take on 'Right-Wing Nuts' on Talk Radio
    By Randy Hall
    CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200606/POL20060615b.html

    (CNSNews.com) - Rep. Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.) challenged liberals attending the "Take Back America" conference to take on the "right-wing nuts" on talk radio and demand that local radio stations and newspapers provide "alternative points of view."

    "The fight to allow people to hear different points of view is as important as any other fight, so I would urge people at the grassroots to start taking on the local media," Sanders said during a panel discussion Wednesday on the topic of media reform.

    "If you have a right-wing station in your community, you've got to go up to those people and say, 'You've got to give us alternative points of view,'" he stated. "If you have a newspaper in your community that does not allow columnists from a progressive perspective, you've got to go challenge those people."

    Sanders added that liberals in the audience should tell people in the media "that you're prepared to speak out against those advertisers who are supporting right-wing stations unless other points of view can be heard."

    Still, the Vermont congressman noted that "we are making progress" in getting liberal viewpoints heard across the country.

    "If we were sitting here six or seven years ago," the term "talk radio" would have meant "Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ollie North and all the right-wing nuts who would have occupied 98 or 99 percent of the space out there," Sanders said. Listen to Audio

    "Well, you know what? Things have changed," Sanders said. The liberal network "Air America is doing very different talk," and several progressives are being broadcast on a variety of media outlets.

    Nevertheless, Sanders admitted that he is unhappy with the number of liberals on the air. "This is a divided nation," he said, "so why isn't half of talk radio progressive?"

    The congressman also noted that progressives are "making real, real progress in dealing with the issue" of "smaller and smaller numbers of multinational media conglomerates owning and controlling what the American people see and hear in the media."

    "If you are concerned about the environment, if you're concerned about the decline of the middle class, if you're concerned about health care, you must be concerned about corporate control over the media," Sanders said.

    "We are not going to be able to address any or all of those issues unless you have a level of political consciousness in America, and a consciousness which is developed by people having access to different ideas that they're not getting today," Sanders said. Listen to Audio

    Regarding news programming, "somebody says this is what is important and this is not important," Sanders noted. "If you compare the amount of time given to crime as say, the collapse of the middle class, if you talk about the NBA playoffs as opposed to poverty in America, you're talking about numbers of 10 or 100 to 1."

    If more complex issues are not addressed, Sanders said, "people who are working, not one job but two jobs and three jobs, trying to cobble together a living," will say: "Nobody cares about me. Nobody knows what I am going through. Why should I vote? Why should I participate in the political process?"

    The congressman also criticized news stations that force people "to speak in seven-second sound bites. It is a sad day in America when I do not speak on television about Iraq - because nobody who covers Iraq in Vermont or in America can cover the issue in seven seconds."

    Sanders also expressed displeasure with the way cable news was covering the breaking story that the federal government paid up to $1.4 billion to victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita that was used for football tickets, a tropical vacation and even a divorce lawyer.

    "What Fox and others are now trying to do is blame the poor people," Sanders said. "There is a huge lack of accountability in terms of the Bush administration funneling out billions of your taxpayer dollars. But again, it is easier for Fox to blame poor people than it is their friends who are large, multinational corporations."

    However, Tim Carney with the free market-based Competitive Enterprise Institute, took issue with Sanders' statements regarding media ownership.

    "It's fine for the congressman to worry about corporate ownership of the media, but it's dishonest of him to equate 'corporate' with 'right-wing,'" Carney told Cybercast News Service.

    "Sanders knows very well that big businesses are no free market swashbucklers or conservative crusaders - or maybe he's never heard of Ted Turner and George Soros," Carney added.

    Michael Harrison, publisher of "Talkers magazine," disagreed with many of Sanders' other points.

    "What he's saying doesn't fit within the First Amendment," Harrison told Cybercast News Service. "First of all, he's characterizing people he doesn't agree with as nuts, but they have legitimate points of view, just as the left has a legitimate point of view.

    "And even nuts have the right to speak in this country," Harrison added.

    Regarding conservative talk radio, Harrison said that "there's nothing wrong with somebody being successful and having a following. There's nothing illegal about it, either.

    "There are other kinds of radio, too, as evidenced by the fact that Air America is out there, and we have National Public Radio" plus a wide variety of other formats, Harrison said.

    In addition, "I think newspapers have the right to be whatever they want to be," Harrison said. "If you don't like it, start your own newspaper or don't frequent the advertisers."
     
  2. Nehemiah Scudder

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    How is complaining about crappy radio censorship?

    I recommend ditching terrestrial radio altogether and getting satellite. s'much better. Join the Revolution!
     
  3. Krauser

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    You can't debate/"take on" with 95% in the right wing. They'll either answer everything with something like "Because it's just not right!" or "Jesus said you're not supposed to", etc. It's like trying to convince an Arab extremist that there is a possiblility that Mohammed and Allah don't exist.
     
  4. Zen21Tao

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    Libs are still upset that Fox News, public radio and the internet has undermined their once total control of all media outlets. Libs don't want "an alternative view" to be presented they only want their view presented. :barf: :banghead: :cuss:
     
  5. Lucky

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    "Nevertheless, Sanders admitted that he is unhappy with the number of liberals on the air. "This is a divided nation," he said, "so why isn't half of talk radio progressive?""

    I'd suggest that radio is conservative, and television is liberal. Perhaps because people who listen to the radio during the day have jobs.
     
  6. GoRon

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    It is a good thing for the progressives to get their message out.

    The more the leftists expound on their ideas the more people will realize they are nothing more than "soft" socialists.

    Every time the left is honest about what they believe they get their a@@ handed to them in the election.

    How can you win elections when you run down free enterprise and capitalism?

    When you mock and deride conservative Christians?

    When you hold world opinion (UN) as more important than nationalistic concerns?

    Go ahead, let them keep talking, let them get their message out, every time they do the people realize what they stand for and reject them.
     
  7. DunedinDragon

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    There was quite a lengthy discussion about this on Rush Limbaugh the other day. The fact is, what the libs are upset about is they want to turn back the hands of time to when they had complete control over the media.

    Media providers give the public what they are asking for. Liberal talk shows haven't pulled in the audience whereas conservative talk shows do, and that's exactly why the liberal talk shows have failed. That has relegated the liberals to their old standby's such as ABC, CBS, NBC and so forth, whose credibility has long since been destroyed. They don't like the fact that they only outlet they have for their message are bloggers.

    I absolutely agree with Rush's evaluation on this. If they had a popular message, they would have a popular outlet for it. The market has decided what they want to hear, and it's not a bunch of "sky is falling" nonsense that they can hear every day on CNN, CBS, ABC, et al.
     
  8. Kaylee

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    Tell ya what Bernie.. when you get "Democracy Now" and the like off of stations supported by taxpayer money and onto a forum that's self-supporting, then you can talk to me about how you "need more representation."
     
  9. Bartholomew Roberts

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    My guess is that the small number of people who are smart enough to make it past the call screener and then be able to make an effective point despite all the stacked odds (host who does this professionally every day, controls the framing of the initial question and can end the conversation at any time) probably have better things to do with their time.

    One or two might make a relevant point that was compelling; but he will be drowned out by the 20 less-capable but like-minded callers that are selected to serve as the sacrificial lamb instead.

    All of this makes it hard enough when you actually have a good idea to sell. When what you are trying to sell is "I know what is best for you so sit back and do what I tell you to do"...
     
  10. RealGun

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    How about defining your terms? "Liberal" and "progressive" are used here as either pejoratives or as if everyone should understand what they symbolize.
     
  11. Camp David

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    It needs to be noted that Vermont's Bernie Sanders is a far left socialist, one of the only one in the House. That said, I welcome Bernie's proposal; let's hear the liberal plan...

    Far too often the liberals simply criticize conservatives; I, for one, would love to hear Saunder's (and the liberals) plan for fighting terrorism, fixing social security, and securing our homeland. I want to hear their agenda rather than their attacks against conservatives. Let Bernie speak...

    However, I sincerely doubt Rep. Bernard Sanders will voice his, or the liberals, plans anytime soon. In their minds, their success is predicated upon how loudly than can criticize conservatives and whether they are up to the task. As far as presenting a differing policy than conservatives, liberals generally are pretty quiet.
     
  12. Marshall

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    Camp David,

    When you hear the liberal's plans and agenda, let us know. I'll guess I'll hear from you in about 30 years, maybe?
     
  13. Greg L

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    The problem is that talk radio is interactive while television/print isn't. On the radio you have to be able to justify your position against critisism while on television/print you can just state what you want as fact with no feedback allowed (yes there are letters to the editor but you have to search them out, on radio the feedback is right then to the same audience that heard the original point).

    If such positions were critically arguable then Air America wouldn't be in the tank. I'm sure there is a market out there that would love to hear their positions defended rather than constantly shredded by logic.
     
  14. Desertdog

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    The answer is simple and it works. It is called the free market of radio. It is open to anybody that can get the money together to pay for it, such as advertisers, Geoge Soros, MoveOn.org, to buy the time and you can say whatever you want, just as the "right-wing nuts" on talk radio did.

    To "demand that local radio stations and newspapers provide "alternative points of view" smacks me as being very Communistic.
     
  15. AJAX22

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    I agree Greg,

    The problem with many of the viewpoints that are espoused by the new liberals (as opposed to classical liberals) is that they base all of there arguments on tampered statistics, hearsay, appeals to emotion, and Illogical statements.

    When forced to debate a subject instead of just preaching to eachother about the evils of this or that. most of the sheeple aren't quick enough to come up with an intelligible though on the subject beyond what they've been spoon fed.

    on a side story I had one of these new liberals stand up in my polsci class and explain how gun controll was necicary to finding a solution to the worlds problems. He used then used machiavelli as justification for his arguements, totally ignoring a large section of his works on power.

    I answered him by asking, "Are you an armed prophet?"

    Him "No"

    Me "How do you expect to be successfull in solving the worlds problems then, your right to free speach is only as strong as the Iron which stands behind the paper"

    If you'll recall one of the most famous machiavelli quotes "Hence it comes about that all armed Prophets have been victorious, and all unarmed Prophets have been destroyed."

    It seems like people on the other side seem to take snippets and sound bytes out of valid arguments and string them togeather into a complete philosophy based on ignorance of the greater picture. For the most part, when you probe their beliefs in any depth, all logic disappears and it becomes a matter of faith on their part.

    Most of the people who follow the traditional liberal (John Locke) philosophy, came to their position after carefull consideration and alot of self debate, and therefore have a better understanding of freedom and rights than people who's entire education on the subject has come from slogans shouted at rallys and daytime telivision. The understanding and abilitiy to freely debate lends itself alot more easily to dynamic media which requires listener participation.

    Just my 2c
     
  16. boofus

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    The reason Fox and Rush and conservative internet blogs are so successful are precisely because they offer something different from 95% of the liberal spin offered by traditional media.

    You got the NYT, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Boston Globe, CNN, ABC, seeBS, NBC, New Yorker, whatever peddling the leftist view and only a few outlets that offer a different viewpoint.

    Is it any wonder that Fox beats the crap out of the other channels? You have 20+ liberal news outlets splitting up the roughly 50% market share of liberal viewers. Then you got Fox, the sole provider for the other 50% of non-marxist viewers. Simple math, duh congressman.

    Besides they already tried opening a 2000939th liberal spin cycle called Air America. It would have gone off the air by now if they didn't steal charity money to fund its operations and pay its employees.
     
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    :barf: :barf: :barf: When will liberals face the fact that they are far from progressive and regressive if anything.JFK is rolling over in his grave at what todays DemoRATS have become.
     
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    Challenge

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    >If you have a right-wing station in your community, you've got to go up to those people and say, 'You've got to give us alternative points of view,'" he stated. "If you have a newspaper in your community that does not allow columnists from a progressive perspective, you've got to go challenge those people."<
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    Sounds like more of the same entitlement mentality that defines the liberal mindset. "You have to GIVE me what I want!":rolleyes:

    Fine. Challenge the opposition's point of view...but be willing to do what it takes to present it rather than demand that a private enterprise provide you with a soapbox. Want air time? Ante up the bucks. Can't find a station that'll sell it to ya? Start your own. That's how it works, boys and girls. Mommy and Daddy were there to make sure that life was fair when you were 10. You're not 10 any more. Life isn't fair. Never has been.
     
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    Air America is going down the tubes, not because conservatives don't listen to it, not because moderates don't listen to it, but because liberals don't listen to it.

    Or liberals are listening to it and there aren't enough of them to support it. In which case means we are not really a divided nation.

    We are a nation that is right of center with a vocal left minority that can't support itself.
     
  20. Battler

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    They don't have to be able to support theselves - it is not in violation of socialist doctrine to force others to pay for their propoganda.
     
  21. Sergeant Bob

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    There Camp David. It's fixed!
     
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    Lord help the Conservatives -

    If the Libtards ever find a spokesman who can nake a logical argument. Not too bloody likely:evil: :D
     
  23. Battler

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    "left" and "right" are such nebulous groupings.

    How did "right" end up with guns and "left" end up with gay people? Pat Robertson is nuts, can't he switch teams?

    The "right"'s arguments aren't necessarily less assailable, whether when they are in the right or when they are full of it. What they DO have is outsider status, and decades of practice having to defend their positions.

    The left, having held TV/media for so long, are a little behind on such practice.

    Air America isn't so much failing due to their message being unsuitable for radio; but as a message that's already thoroughly represented on CNN/ABC/NBC/etc. etc. They have no disaffected/alientated audience to reap like Rush did.
     
  24. Tommygunn

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    There's nothing the liberal want more than re-enacting the Fairness Doctrine in radio broadcasting. It would nearly TKO Rush, Sean Hannity, Michael Reagan, G. Gordon Liddy, Beck, et al. Radio stations would have to go back to local ^%$#@ like overpriced sewer renovation projects.
    Air America is a commercial failure, being artificially propped up by George Soros.
    Liberals only do well on radio locally. In New Yuck City Alan Colmes, the ocularly challenged half of FNC's "Hannity and Colmes" has a radio program that's doing OK from what I here, but then New York city IS very liberal.
    There just isn't the customer audience out here in flyover America.:rolleyes:
     
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    Well, they tried to counter Rush, et al, with Air America. Last I heard, that effort was about moribund. Fact is, most folks don't like the liberal agenda.
     
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