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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by HarcyPervin, Dec 27, 2010.

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  1. mr.trooper

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    Several manufacturers make rifles with names almost identical to your thread title. I suggest you start by looking at those.
     
  2. Random Discharge

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    If you don't give it a full barrell - go 308?

    If you end up selecting a shorter barrelled compact, consider rethinking your caliber choice. Without the barrell to burn the extra powder capacity of the 30-06, you might as well go with a 308 and get the added benefit of the shorter action.
     
  3. sayak

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    I concur with Random: a .308 Savage. Light, powerful, cheap, durable, accurate out of the box. Ammo is cheap and readily available. And this opinion is coming from a fan of the M 70 Winchester in .30.06.
     
  4. Jminer99er

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    I just got the sako a7 in 7mm rm. To my suprise it came with the new "ST" stock (soft touch) its very similar to brownings dura-touch, which Browning did an excellent job with the make-up and mold. Imo

    with sakos improvements in the a7 rifle (three lug bolt, steel sleeved clip, new stock, open bolt face, weaver type rail, bolt extraction on safety, five shot guarantee) makes it an awesome rifle! Hopefully you can fondle one with the st stock... Check it ;)
     
  5. Tirod

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    I've decided to stick with the gun I've had the most success and least problems with.

    This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Of course, that is different for other shooters. But I have no argument against that, even if my choice is exactly the opposite - the 6.8 AR.

    One man's holy grail gun is someone else's junk. If AR's haven't measured up in use, sorry. If the caliber seems to be insufficient, then, ok. It's been my privilege to try bolts and semi autos, and in my final analysis, I went for the 6.8 AR.

    Here's what it boiled down to me:

    Lighter, shorter carry, with the controls in the right place. Followup shots almost never lose the sight picture, the game can be observed with sights on the animal until it goes down. Recoil is substantially less, and with much less concern about it. That makes the decision to pull the trigger easier, too. It also makes target practice more feasible, and it can last longer, helping the shooter gain proficiency. Optics mount readily, and the operation of the action is more reliable, eliminating manual miscues with the bolt and resultant loss of game.

    I've decided to stick with the gun I've had the most success and least problems, too. Obviously the focus on what is important is the same, use what works for you.

    That's the best recommendation. It's not often shooters get both to try and discover for themselves. Those that have certainly do know what they prefer.
     
  6. HarcyPervin

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    some great advice here,
    Tirod - love the ar platform, have zero experience with it. So I guess I should say, I think the AR is a cool gun, and have read from countless people how well it performs...I did have the chance to dink around with a couple of them the other day at the local gun shop, and it just didn't feel like a hunting rifle. obviously, taking the time to get comfortable with the gun and learning to be proficient with it would change that. really wishing I knew someone who had one I could spend some time with to help make my decision, but my experience has been with more conventional rifles. I have realized as my experience grows, that when I'm on the range or plinking that I have more fun cycling the action myself than simply pulling the trigger until it goes click....kinda like driving a stick. Is it the most practical, probably not in every circumstance, but it adds to the experience. Would I still like to own an AR in the near future? Without a doubt...Stuck...yep...

    Sorry if it seems like I'm waffling guys, but the advice isn't just going in one ear and out the other...this is actually very helpful so thanks for all of your input
     
  7. Kachok

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    Owe 4 Savages, all of them were shooters, great guns, Tikka is just next level, smoother more exact action, better egronomics, better trigger (Yes better then Accu-trigger), just as accurate, lighter weight, and the fiber/matrix stock feels like a corvette and not a piece of tupperwear :)
     
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    good to see another suffering vikings fan: I would love to second the savage suggestion, but one thing holds me back. You mentioned the barrels being flimsy and savage does tend to suffer that infliction. Other than that I can't think of a better bolt gun. So you have been warned.
    if you want a light weight rifle that is also efficient, the .308 makes better use of powder out of shorter barrels than the .30-06.
     
  10. HarcyPervin

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    yeah, i suppose its as simple as replacing the barrel with something a little beefier...i tend to get into rapid fire mode sometimes when I'm screwing around....especially come november 1st when pumpkins become meaningless, so I don't want a barrel thats going to turn to mush after shot #4....the more I think about it the .308 might not be a horrible idea...as many people have pointed out, its a better performing round out of a short barrel, and if i decide to tag along on a varmint shoot I may have better performance out of it...opinions/advice? maybe a heavier barrel/something fluted?
     
  11. heeler

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    When you say 6.5 pounds are you talking about the rifle without the scope and sling or the whole package??
    Finding a long action rifle in 30-06 at that weight equipped with gear wont be so easy.
    If you want a lightweight rifle perhaps a short action rifle in 308 or 7mm-08 might be considered.
    The previously mentioned Ruger Compact or Remington model Seven are great choices.
    I have owned both.
    An older Remington 600 will work too.
    On the other hand a Stevens 200 is pretty light and comes in 30-06 and has a synthetic stock and are quite accurate rifles and are really low in price.
    That would leave a lot left over for quality glass and ammo.
    GunBroker has a slew of the older matte finished Remington 700 ADL's in 30-06.
    Mostly used,some still new.
    There are a lot of good choices especially in the used market.
    My own favorite deer rifle for walk hunting is my Remington 600 Mohawk in .308 equipped with a Leupold VX-1 2x7x33 scope and it weighs under 7 1/4 pounds fully equipped and field ready.
     
  12. HarcyPervin

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    has anyone had any experience with the savage weather warrior models?
     
  13. Random Discharge

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    Savage Weather Warrior

    I have a Savage 16FLSS (Weather Warrior) in 308, made before there was such a thing as an accutrigger or accustock. It's a compact one inch at 100 yards hunting rifle, plain and simple. Good value. It is made well and does the job. No plastic part surprises. No complaints. I think the older trigger it has is respectable. But folks do rave about the newer accutrigger.

    The barrell is 22". I've never warmed it up hunting pumpkins (now that sounds fun!), so I can't help you there, but it doesn't seem overly thin to me. The barrell nut on Savages makes barrell changes to another 308 based cartridge easy if you ever get restless or so inclined. Realistically though, all 308 based cartridges shoot plenty flat enough within 250 yards or so, and all will kill a deer plenty dead.

    I did replace the stock on mine with a walnut stained beech wood OEM stock from a Model 10. Looks great, still shoots great. The original worked fine (no accuracy issues), but the forearm was too unsubstantial, and the black "plastic" hurt my eyes. The newer accustock can only be an improvement. If you like synthetic stocks, you'll probably be happy with that. Savage now makes the Model 14 "American Classic" in walnut (a blued model 16). If you like wood and choose the Model 16, I'd talk to the factory about getting a Model 16 set up with some serious furniture...
     
  14. HarcyPervin

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    hmm...I'm definitely looking in the synthetic and most likely stainless market...just seems to hold up better to the weather, (minnesota - we've had the snowiest december on record and now they're calling for a big rainstorm to finish it out...) I never really know what i'll be in, deer season this year ranged from crystal clear and 50+ in the brush to 10 below and snowing and in swamps that hadn't frozen yet...I like the savages a lot, even though they're slightly heavier than I was originally looking, but after reading the weather warrior thread about the front and rear of the receiver being on different planes I'm slightly put off by the idea of them...that being said, there's somebody out there that dislikes every brand and one issue brought up by one or a few people isn't really going to dissuade me from going a certain direction
     
  15. Buzzard

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    Tikka makes a Lite Stainless model in .308 if you want to go that route. Or you could go to the Dark Side and become a 6.5x55 convert. :evil:

    As for the Savage Weather Warrior, 1858 posted a problem he had with scope mounting on one because the receiver's front ring was apparently machined a tick too low. If you want to go with a Savage take a straight edge with you to the gunshop to see if the receiver rings are level. If they aren't, you can still get it to work by shimming the front scope base or ordering one with a custom offset. It isn't enough to be a deal-breaker, but it is something you should be aware of.
     
  16. JWF III

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    I was going to suggest the same thing. I was surprised it took 36 posts before the Stevens was mentioned.

    BTW-That's the gun I'll be buying for the exact same use. Only I'll be trimming the barrel to 16.5 to save on some more weight, and make it more compact. (This project has kept getting put off. I'm bound and determined to get it done before next Oct.)

    Wyman
     
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    Tikka T3
     
  18. GentlemanScholar

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    You don't here about too many people wanting a light 30-06. I would also cast my vote for the .308 with the shorter barrel. The .308's parent cartridge (.300 Savage) was designed to give 30-06 ballistic performance in a short action cartridge.
     
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    Held a Weatherby Mark V ultralight in .308 the other and it felt really good. It would kick like a mule being as light as it is but if you are hunting one shot wont kill you. :)

    From Weatherby:
    Tipping the scales at just 5 3/4 pounds (non-Magnum models), this rifle is light in the field while packing a full dose of accurate knockdown power.
     
  20. usmarine0352_2005

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    My new Browning x-Bolt, pictured above has very mild recoil, and that's after I chopped the barrel to 16.5




    Each gun recoils differently though, as stocks vary too. The Browning has a very good recoil pad that helps absorb a lot of the recoil.

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  21. jmr40

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    The Savage/Stevens rifles are good shooters for sure, but with a $1,000 budget I would think he is interested in something a little nicer. But if budget rifles are on the table I think the new Marlins are an even better choice than the Savage/Stevens.

    The weight is right on either, and both have proven to be quite accurate.
     
  22. Dr.Rob

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    Savage rifles are NOT fragile.

    The new weather warrior series 30-06 is listed at 6.5 pounds without optics or mounts. I've been hunting with a stainless weather warrior for years and years before they used the improved AccuStock, Aluminum Spine, three-dimensional bedding or AccuTrigger. I've hunted antelope, deer, elk in desert conditions of 100+ degrees to well below zero snowing and misreable. Never had a worry about the stock warping, the rifle rusting or it not going bang.

    This is one really well made rifle. The only down side is no iron sights. Clean it when you get home and it will last you a lifetime.
     
  23. HarcyPervin

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    I should clarify some of what I'm looking for I guess.
    When I say light, I'm thinking sub-6.75 pounds without sling/optics etc. I know thats not the textbook definition of lightweight rifle, but after dragging my .22-250 varmint gun through the woods, a 7 pound seems like a feather weight. I'm not too worried about the recoil factor because its still in a 30-06...also I'm steering the 06 direction because of the abillity to get that extra power in the new Superformance rounds that would really give me the extra power I'd want (not need) to be sure I'm making a clean kill at distance/in brush/on larger than whitetail sized game...
    As far as barrels go, I just get worried about having a super-slim profile barrel and having problems arise from pushing 5-10 shots through it in a couple minutes when target shooting/screwing around. That much heat can really do some damage to barrels of any size I've heard, and I just feel like something that lightweight I'd be pushing my luck.
     
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    Weight and balance being a factor in how the gun comes up to your shoulder , I would check to see if someone could loan you something befoe comitting.
    I once had a light weight .308 77 Ruger it was great to carry, I killed some deer with it too. Not plesant to shoot though , in fact worse than my .300 Win Mag.
    Had great results with my .308 Tatical HEAVY gun.
    My favorite is hands down the out of production Savage 99 in 300 Savage. Fits great, fast handeling and plenty of power. I found one already drilled and tapped so as not to destroy a collector. Check out the classics you may find a gem.
     
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    Sako A7 in .308....Well under a grand and better than the Tika in most respects.
     
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