Lion hunting video

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This thing is on like every board, jeez. Supposedly from what I was reading elsewhere the first shot was actually a good one, nailed the lion near perfectly. Most people seem to think it went wrong when either the guide, or the client didn't shoot again the second that sucker started to get back up. I know I would have crapped my pants...

And right as the lion was on them both the guide and the client seem to blast it right in the face, you can see at least one hit pretty clearly and it looks like a second one too. Also I don't think all those were misses earlier in the charge either...


And about the trophy hunting thing, if any of you here hunt at all you can shutup. Need a 30/30 for poor ole Bambi, gotta ambush bambi from a tree, etc, etc? Big deal if you ate your deer, blah blah...
 
Uhm, I'm not argueing the sport of it, but

if your not familar with big game hunting what you saw there happens, its the risk of big game hunting, and lions and rhinos are notorious for it. That's why all those other people where backing him up with big rifles, it happens.

And his shot placement was only off by about 3 inches, on Lions and big game you aim for the middle shoulder area to get lung, heart and shoulder damage. That way you hope he cant rush you, see a lion can still charge after a lung, or heart shot, but if they have a pulverized shoulder the lion might not be able to charge. Yes the lion will rush the shooter, he knows which one shot due to keen senses.

The back up guns are huge, typical sizes are 416 Rigby, 470 Nitro, 500 Jefferey, 577 Nitro, and 600 nitro. These guns feature 400 to 1000 grain projectiles. You see stopping a shot lion or rhino takes the most powerful gun you can shoot straight and not be scared of the recoil so much that you flinch and miss.

Another possibility is that lion was not showing much fear, that can indicate the lion is a danger to the nearby village children and animals, relocation is tried, but normally the lion comes back and gets shot anyway.

Research before you make silly statements.
 
Auto racing, mountain climbing, bull fighting... I guess we can add "taking pot-shots at lions" to Hemingway's list. :uhoh:

Yowza! That had to get the ol' adrenals pumping! :eek:
 
Essentially, this shows lions are tough, and fast. Personally, I find high-fives and victory happy dances disgusting, regardless of the game. Whooping and screaming with joy are also ridiculous. I favor the Eastern European style, of showing respect both to the game and the hunter. In the final analysis, this video makes me wonder how many people, usually, does one take along when he's lion hunting?
 
One moral of the story is that a scoped rifle sucks when it gets up close and personal... The guide is the only one who has open sights (and perhaps the most powerful rifle).
 
Have to agree with sturmruger. I cannot see any reasoning for this. Hunting for food not for tropheys would be reasonable. I really hate to see an animal like this killed for sport.:(
 
I'm not going to cast any stones here since this may have been a sick animal (ok it didn't look sick to me either), or a problem animal to a local village (Dingo got my...oh sorry... Lions got my baby). Personally if I shoot an animal and it starts to get up, it gets another shot. They did have time put another round into that lion before he got up speed to charge. I bet that shooter had to change his shorts after this. Looks to me like a 870 with slugs would have been the ticket instead of a bolt action with a scope.
 
Just curious....First off this has already been posted and discused on this site.....:rolleyes:


Secondly is this a hunting site or the I watched to much national geographic last night site?

The born free run bambi before man kills you B.S. is getting on my nerves. If you guys are anti hunting go to a PETA web site and post your hearts out but stay off this one!!!!!!!!!

If you want some of your posts addressed go to the prevuious Lion video thread and have a look.

Why is it acceptable in your book to kill a poor little brown eyed deer but not a lion?

PS. my wife watched it and thought it was a very interesting piece of video. Of course she's been to africa on several occasions. She knows what the score is.
 
I'm guessing these videos sometimes DO have different endings, but those don't show up on National Geographic.

If the animal wasn't a danger to some local village then I think it's a shame it was hunted. I'm not against hunting, but there aren't enough of those beautiful animals left in the world.

ChickenHawk
 
Let's not go overboard here...

This looks to be a PH and client. With dangerous game, it's commonplace and common-sense to have the pro backing up the hunter.

Client takes shot, drops cat. Cat gets up and charges. They both shoot until the cat is down.

"Squad based warfare"? Please...:rolleyes:

IF it's a canned hunt, then I'm happy to criticise it based on that. However, IMO, there's little to complain about once the lion attacks. The client had the presence of mind to continue taking shots, in the face significant danger. The PH did likewise, and at least one of his shots was likely instrumental in saving his client (which is his #1 priority).
 
I'm not against hunting, but there aren't enough of those beautiful animals left in the world.

ChickenHawk,

What biological data are you basing this statement on? Not only are there enough lions in the world there are enough of them that they warrant and support a healthy huntable population. In fact in some areas lions are still shot on a control with regularity. I'll check my facts but I believe that Botswana reported 109 problem lions killed last year by authorities alone.

Your statement would be akin to me stating that since there are no whitetails in New Mexico that there are to few of these beatifull creatures left in the world and therefore should not be hunted.

In fact I think I should call Fund for Animals and let them know my conclusion on the rapidly dwindling whitetail population in regions of the U.S.. That is exactley the type of "fuzzy" scientific data they love to spew to the general public.

I am not saying that this was or wasn't an ethical hunt I don't know nor does anyone but the people that were there. What I am saying is that..

A. Hunting lions is not a bad thing and it's done quite often. And the revenues from it support lion habbitat and game country in general. With out leagal sport hunting there would be very little if any wild game outside of the parks anywhere in Africa. That's a fact like it or not.

B. The scenario that unfolded was not due to poor shooting on the clients part. Watch the video the client hit that cat as nearly perfectly as could be. But for those of you who've never hunted Africa and dangerous game in particular. Animals in the dangerous catagory are named so for a reason and they often do not just fall over dead even to a well placed shot.Please understand that these things happen that's why they call it dangerous game. A perfectly shot critter can and will charge on occasion.

Third and last. I would suspect that everyone on this site who hunts is a sport hunter wether they want to admitt it or not. If you chose to hunt even if it's for the pot, rather than need to hunt for survival. Guess what that makes you. That's right. A sport hunter. Because your hunting and killing game for want rather than need.

I do not appologize for being a hunter.
 
Speaking of Peter Hathaway Capstick...

I seem to recall him advocating the 12 gauge with buckshot for close in work on wounded thin skinned game. I know he preferred it for leopard, and I think he may have liked it for lion. I also remember him raving about shotguns w/out disconnects. I think it was the Model 12? Apparently he loved the ability to hold down the trigger and "trombone" the action.
 
Balog,

Recent data has proven that Buckshot is an extremely poor choice on lions. The general consensus is that shotguns are for birds.

However don't take my word for it. Please use anything you want on charging cats.;)
 
Well said, H&H!!! I might use a shotgun with buckshot on a wounded leopard in the long grass (where engagement distances are likely to be measured in feet rather than yards!), but on a lion, IMHO, it's a surefire recipe for you to end up in the lion's belly. They're just too darn tough for buckshot.
 
I would suspect that everyone on this site who hunts is a sport hunter wether they want to admitt it or not. If you chose to hunt even if it's for the pot, rather than need to hunt for survival. Guess what that makes you. That's right. A sport hunter. Because your hunting and killing game for want rather than need.

I do not appologize for being a hunter.
I'd be willing to bet that most regular THR posters do think of themselves as sport hunters (those who hunt) and who can argue with that? No one here would ask anyone to apologize for being a hunter!

I think most of the negative reactions here are based on the 'what might have happened' part that is clearly obvious from viewing the video. You are completely correct when you point out that hunting this kind of game can get very dangerous no matter how well placed the shot is. That's just the way it is.

BTW, I've got no data to back up my earlier comment and will happily accept yours. The spirit of my comment was simply that I'd hate to see another species hunted to extinction. If that's a myth, then I thank you for straightening me out on the point. I guess I watch too much Animal Planet. :)

Regards,
ChickenHawk
 
that is one mess-up murder incorporate

The lion never had the chance to defend itself. Some of you real hunters out there probably notice that the lion look very scare prior to being shot. It has the of the behavior and charateristic of a golden retriever. This lion is no more than a big house cat, raised to be shoot down for rich people with no respect for life, guns, and any sport.

The "hunt" is not even a sport. To call it a sport is like calling rape a make out session. I am contacting the animal right authority in regard to this. I want those rich ???????s to have a new black daddy for a very very long. They will know what 10% of real lion strength is when some dude whack them across the head with a forearm.

This view, however exciting, makes me want to puke first, then go hunt those richies myself. There is nothing manly about this. The lion was caged in, declawed, and probably has plastic caps on its teeth. It was shot and hit multiple times before reaching the man. A real lion would have stood ground to finish off one guy, but this cat didn't know what to do. It is a sign of no-hunting-and-killing experience.

Trophy hunting is for loosers. Want to me a man, go mountain lion all by yourself.
 
asianthug47, personal attacks lead to short-term membership at THR.

Now: How do you KNOW what you allege as fact? How do you KNOW it was "raised"? How do you KNOW the hunter was "rich"? (And just what difference does one's net worth have to do with anything?) How do you KNOW the hunter has no respect for life?

You say, "The "hunt" is not even a sport. To call it a sport is like calling rape a make out session." Were you there? Are you an experienced-enough hunter to make such a judgement?

And, "The lion was caged in, declawed, and probably has plastic caps on its teeth." How do you KNOW this?

A point I'd like to make to you is that some rather experienced hunters--and one here who has posted pictures of his own successful hunting in Africa--have commented about a lack of sufficient information for any definitive judgement. I thus would like to know your own source(s).

And before you make anymore snap judgements about the hunters here, I suggest you use the "Search" function for the various threads where we have discussed hunting ethics at great length...

Art
 
i have done a lot of research on this

This video was shown in many forum and even made it to the Max List video and other home video. If you look closely at the video, you'll see all of the poles surrounding the lion. It obviously was very afraided for its life, yet it didn't run away. Do you call that hunting? I call that murder.

Yes, I do hunt. I don't hunt big games or anything like that. I hunt ground hogs and deer. It takes a lot of time, hard work, and patience to track these any animal down. They don't sit there and look at you while you adjust your bipod to take them out. We're talking about lion here. It is a king of a jungle. Do you really think they are sizzy like that. The client didn't even have noticeable scratches on him. A real lion would have given him some deep cuts even if it was kill upon landing on him. A real lion would have stay and finish him off knowing that it would die anyway. In addition, a male lion rarely travel by itself like that unless it is a young male just got thrown out of a pack.

I have done enough reading to know this is a canned shooting. I am sure you know this very very very well too.

I hope your personal interest in this doesn't conflict with your judgement.

P.S. There is no personal attack to any posters here. I don't think very highly of people who hunt in this fashion. Many viewers have already said that they root for the lion.
 
Asianthug47..........


Trophy hunting is for loosers. Want to me a man, go mountain lion all by yourself

My friend please take a look at the atttached photo. And don't think that's the only Mt lion I've ever hunted not by a long shot pard.....I've hunted dozens of cats as a guide as hunter and as a depredation shooter.

The only dangerous thing about Mt Lion hunting is terrian you do it in. Mt Lions are for the most part plum docile. But you probably didn't know that did you? Otherwise you wouldn't have made this unbelivably missinformed statment.


The "hunt" is not even a sport. To call it a sport is like calling rape a make out session. I am contacting the animal right authority in regard to this.

Just curios who is the "animal rights authority"?

Animal rights activists are radical groups of illinformed urban idiots who want to take away the rights of humans and hunters the world over. They have no authority. They are private citzens with notthing more than an opinon and a stupid damaging one at that. But I suspect you probably know all about these groups don't ya pal.


I hope your personal interest in this doesn't conflict with your judgement.

Nobody here has any personal interest in this lion hunt. It's a random video that was posted . We didn't film it shoot the lion or even attend the event. And we have no idea who these guys are.

The lion was caged in, declawed, and probably has plastic caps on its teeth. It was shot and hit multiple times before reaching the man. A real lion would have stood ground to finish off one guy, but this cat didn't know what to do.

Lets try and break this one down....I went to the acurrate arms site and read all this same B.S. that does not make it reliable research. I don't know about you but if I was inclined to pay big bucks to hunt a canned lion I don't think I'd be very happy if my "trophy" had all that cosmetic surgery done to it would you? I mean most lion skin rugs are done with the claws out. It wouldn't look very good with out them!!

Beides if it was a pen raised cat why would they need to do any of that stuff in the first place it'd be tame wouldn't it? The reason that the client wasn't scratched worse is really quite simple. The cat missed him because the PH wallopped him right before he leaped. Period.

For all of you guys who noticed the Big fence what does this really mean? Well it could mean one of two things

1. The possibility that this cat was released into an enclosure and then shot.

2. If you've ever been to South Africa you would probably have noticed that the property boundries between private land and a park or other private game reserves are usually high fenced that is how they keep undesirable animals from crossing onto the private land or visa versa. So the presence of the high fence, while suspicious, is not even close to proof that this is a 100% canned hunt. I'm not saying that it's not or that it is I'm just laying out the facts.

Lastly and I'm sure your ready for me to shut up......

For all of you guys who criticize the legitimatcy of this hunt due to the lions actions I suggest you watch some lions in the wild. This is fairly common lion behavior they are curios and they don't usually just take off without a second look and especially if the cat in question is a current or previous.
park cat.

Gee kind of reminds me of a particular species of deer that live in the west..........In fact I rarely if ever have deer that I have harvested not doNE almost the exact same thing as that lion. They bust you, look at you, trot a bit then give that final look before taking off. I guess all of the guys here who only see deer in full flight for just a moment are just hunting different than I. Like with the wind to thier backs or some such!!!!

last question for Asianthug47,
You state that you hunt ground hogs. Do you eat them or are you just some loser trophy hunter who shoots them for sport?
 
As far as "sporting" goes, I'd argue that there is actually more sport in this type of hunting. You have a much greater chance of losing life or limb in the bush of Africa at the claws/horns of an animal than you do in the deer or turkey woods. When was the last time you heard of a hunter being wing whipped to death?

I don't knock the folks who big game/dangerous game hunt, but I don't think it would float my boat. While I fully admit the mental rush of any hunting is part of the appeal, I can't do it just for the rush, and a disproportionate part of big game hunting seems to be about the adrenaline. Folks can tell me that they do it to help the game population until they're blue in the face, but I'd still contend that the main motivation is the thrill of killing an animal that could possibly kill you.

I, however, don't require the possibility of having my head torn off to get the blood pumping. It just takes the sight of a nice buck or the sound of a gobbler thundering through the woods.

A big part of hunting, for me at least, involves showing respect for the individual animal I kill. Simply put, I eat it. I know I don't HAVE TO hunt to feed myself, but I figure that if I'm going to take an animal's life, I want it to be justified beyond just the larger picture of game control. My own hunting ethic is that I don't kill what I don't plan to eat (excepting varmints that are damaging my property). That's my own take. I certainly don't try to impose it on others.

Nature, and the life it contains, is too precious to be callous about killing animals of any sort. Slapping high fives after pumping a lion full of lead strikes me as just a little callous. Same goes for some of these shows where dove hunters gun down birds in the thousands. Just not my style.

YMMV
 
If this wasn't a canned hunt, and was indeed the Real Deal, I'd probably be up for some high fives just for having survived--after I changed undies!

In five years of moderating the Hunting forums of The Firing Line and The High Road, I've yet to find any member who supported the concept of a canned hunt. In such an event, all of us would cheer for the critter.

:), Art
 
It amazing how willing people are to jump on some one else when they don't even know the facts.
We don't know the reason they shot the cat, yet people complain.
We all know that critters don't always drop in their tracks every time, yet people scream bad shot placement.
Group hunting? Did they all go up and start blasting away at the lion. No. The client shot, the guide opened up when it charged, and it looked to me like the others didn't shoot until the lion jumped by the P.H. and the client
And frankly, I bet if you had a lion miss you that close you would celibrate coming out alive too.
Come on people, lets use a bit of common sense here.
Asianthug:
On your comment linking real hunting to tracking down your prey, how does tracking down those groundhogs work for ya?
 
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