morcey2
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I believe that the wording in the act was that they weren't allowed to collect/store/database data pertaining to firearms possession or ownership, but they could ask about it.
Matt
List of the 23 EO's
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I believe that the wording in the act was that they weren't allowed to collect/store/database data pertaining to firearms possession or ownership, but they could ask about it.
Matt
Jorg, I should have remembered that, because when I worked at a hospital a few years ago I had to take the training about 6 times in the course of a month (the guy in charge of the training kept telling us we went to the wrong training website but never told us what the right one was). I got Health right 
I think you'll start seeing the following when seeing any sort of healthcare professional, applying for insurance, coverage or whatever....
Personal History (Please mark yes / no):
Have you consumed more than 2 alcoholic drinks in a day during the last year? _____
Do you smoke cigarettes or other tobacco products? - _____
Have you used illicit drugs (including marijuana) within the last 10 years? _____
Have you been arrested for or convicted of a felony in the last 10 years? - _____
Do you or anyone living in your household own or have access to a firearm? - ____
Personal History (Please mark yes / no):
Have you consumed more than 2 alcoholic drinks in a day during the last year? _____
Do you smoke cigarettes or other tobacco products? - _____
Have you used illicit drugs (including marijuana) within the last 10 years? _____
Have you been arrested for or convicted of a felony in the last 10 years? - _____
Do you or anyone living in your household own or have access to a firearm? - ____
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...violence-plan/
The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Pointshoot
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The original post said this isnt the exact wording and that its from a second hand source (NY Times). The devil is in the details. We'll have to see and digest the exact wording when its public. And later we'll see how that wording is carried out at the agency level. If your rights are taken away administratively, and the bureaucracy and costs make it impossible for you to personally restore them - they have been taken from you. - - - Beyond that, there's not much to say yet.
But one word of caution - don't relax your guard if 'it doesnt seem so bad'. A good strategy is to make your opponent fear the worst - and then he's relieved, when it doesnt happen all at once or in the manner he originally feared. Always keep in mind their final objective.
The 2A can be slowly strangled, rather than quickly lynched.
But one word of caution - don't relax your guard if 'it doesnt seem so bad'. A good strategy is to make your opponent fear the worst - and then he's relieved, when it doesnt happen all at once or in the manner he originally feared. Always keep in mind their final objective.
The 2A can be slowly strangled, rather than quickly lynched.
Queen_of_Thunder
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Vetetans medical history will be violated under these measures. Micro stamping is coming your way.
Is this a seminal moment many have spoken about.. Yes it is as we move from the model of government that has served us for 200 plus years to one where the President rules through edict.
Is this a seminal moment many have spoken about.. Yes it is as we move from the model of government that has served us for 200 plus years to one where the President rules through edict.
ChromDome
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What are you talking about.
Some people need to step back and take a deep breath.
NOTHING changed today.
JFtheGR8
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ChromDome said:
We got the lube today, the shaft is yet to come. Stay vigilant. Now is not the time to relax.
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Dr_B
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If our doctors ask about our guns, we are not required to answer. You are also within your rights to simply lie and say you don't own guns.
ChromDome
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The only way the shaft comes is if Congress passes it, which is very unlikely.
IF Obama could have done anything more via EO don't you think he would have done it today? He gains nothing by waiting for the future.
IF Obama could have done anything more via EO don't you think he would have done it today? He gains nothing by waiting for the future.
Isaac-1
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7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
Have to wonder if this means use bottomless federal funds to run anti gun PSA's?
Have to wonder if this means use bottomless federal funds to run anti gun PSA's?
AJumbo
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I agree that nothing really changed today, EOs can't change existing laws, etc; the problem is that this POTUS has the support of a lot of people, inside gov't and out, that don't believe he would ever push his agenda through extra-legal (unconstututional) means. Others will be happy to delude themselves that his word IS law, which would suit him just fine.
Too many of our fellow Americans would accept a dictator as long as it means their tax-funded benefits are secure. They are as dangerous to out nation as George Soros, the Congressional left, and our man-child POTUS, and they see these 23 actions as "progress in the name of our safety."
Too many of our fellow Americans would accept a dictator as long as it means their tax-funded benefits are secure. They are as dangerous to out nation as George Soros, the Congressional left, and our man-child POTUS, and they see these 23 actions as "progress in the name of our safety."
Pointshoot
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ChromDome: "The only way the shaft comes is if Congress passes it, which is very unlikely.
IF Obama could have done anything more via EO don't you think he would have done it today? He gains nothing by waiting for the future."
This is an EO made to agencies, not legislation. There was nothing to 'pass' today.
However, it isnt unheard of for this and other presidents to send out directives to the agency level and use administrative law & procedures to meet their goals. In such manner, your opponets relax and the issue is quieted till the next opportunity to gain more presents itself.
Its a rather effective strategy, the slow and steady approach.
IF Obama could have done anything more via EO don't you think he would have done it today? He gains nothing by waiting for the future."
This is an EO made to agencies, not legislation. There was nothing to 'pass' today.
However, it isnt unheard of for this and other presidents to send out directives to the agency level and use administrative law & procedures to meet their goals. In such manner, your opponets relax and the issue is quieted till the next opportunity to gain more presents itself.
Its a rather effective strategy, the slow and steady approach.
T Slothrop
Member
I think #8 and especially #15 are the "gotchas" that could potentially lead to onerous restrictions (microstamping? biometric locks?), but the rest are - well just political window dressing...
Which leads me to believe that there is some kind of "Congressional Surprise" coming on a mag/AW ban.
Which leads me to believe that there is some kind of "Congressional Surprise" coming on a mag/AW ban.
Dr_B
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I'm sure every aspect of that news conference was planned. Obviously the children and parents were there for the psychological impact. The blue suits? I am not sure. But you can bet they examined every aspect of the presentation and we paid for it. I'll bet they had top men on it.
Top. Men.
chipcom
member
Down the road our medical insurance rates will increase because we own firearms. Other types of insurance will follow suit. This is how they are going to get us - administratively - not by direct confrontation and confiscation.
JustinJ
Member
If you believe something has now changed I strongly suggest you do a little reading to learn about previous EO that have been issued long before Obama.
I just want to know if there will ever be a threshold reached of 'Obama end of the world predictions' proved false before the 'psychics' will finally give it a rest.
chipcom
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My stock answer is "do you?"
chipcom
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We thought it was very unlikely in 94 too. Don't underestimate the propensity of politicians to do what they feel is politically expedient.
Now the CDC can investigate the "disease" of gun ownership and cure all us sick people. Yippee.
Does any STATE have universal background checks on private sales? It would seem to me that if "everyone agrees" this is the right thing and it could actually be done LEGALLY by the states, wouldn't that already be the law in most places? Oh thats right, we need Congress to oeverstep its bounds again to help all those dumb states out.
Does any STATE have universal background checks on private sales? It would seem to me that if "everyone agrees" this is the right thing and it could actually be done LEGALLY by the states, wouldn't that already be the law in most places? Oh thats right, we need Congress to oeverstep its bounds again to help all those dumb states out.
Rob G
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My stock answer is "no." Nearly anything else could be twisted to mean "yes." I also don't think that my doctor, or my kid's pediatrician, have any write to no know this information so I don't feel bad about lying.
HoosierQ
Member
The fact that #18 is even in there means they heard at least a minimum of what we had to say. Like I said about a month ago, this kind of crap (school shooting) doesn't happen in Israel.
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I agree- very little happened today.
Of course, now that this little piece of drama is over I am going to to go right back to doing what I've been doing- making calls and writing letters and emails to my elected officials and representatives letting them know that I will do everything I can to unseat them (besides voting against them) should they permit any abridgement/abrogation of the Second Amendment by permitting any sort of restrictive firearms legislation to pass. Time to re-double my efforts- I hope you all will do the same.
Nico Testosteros
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All of this is a testament to, in this case, the virtues of a divided government. I don't like much of what the Republicans say or do but in this case I'm glad they control the House.
Maybe now once manufacturers catch up with demand, the price of ARs will drop. I don't see an AWB any time soon.
Maybe now once manufacturers catch up with demand, the price of ARs will drop. I don't see an AWB any time soon.
chipcom
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Yep, this is one of those tipping point issues for a lot of independents. Had Obama started this kick before the election we'd probably have a President Romney...not that he'd be any better.
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