List of the 23 EO's

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  1. stonecutter2

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    16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

    Don't get what this has to do with anything. Very weird. The ACA is what it is, it's not like this can amend it, correct?

    The rest of the actions - yeah maybe it's for the better. Maybe.

    Oh...and:

    11. Nominate an ATF director.

    LOL!
     
  2. Pointshoot

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    I think many of us have made the same, very valid points:

    Continue to be watchful. Don't relax. The 2A & Constitution are at stake.

    Increase your efforts. Increase the pressure. Do your part to oppose every attack on the 2A.
    Dont think 'well, that doesnt impact me' when you hear of new restrictions on fellow lawabiding
    gunowners. United we stand, divided we fall.

    Many new guns were sold, and many new people joined pro 2A organizations
    because of all the attention on this. We need to continue to do all we can, including taking new people out shooting.

    Face to face experiences with good law abiding citizen gun owners can beat the propaganda being broadcast to the people.

    Remember their agenda and that they will never give up till Americans are disarmed.
    (IMO, if you dont think this is the agenda leading this push - - - do some research.)
     
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  3. Zeke/PA

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    #4. " Direct the Attorney General"?
    That's Eric Holder for Poop's Sake!
    Nuff Said!!
     
  4. stonecutter2

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    18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

    That really is pretty close to what the NRA was proposing. Interesting.
     
  5. USAF_Vet

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    Through out his press conference, he kept saying how difficult it would be and the many challenges facing them, prepping the blame. He seemed to have a measure of inevitable defeat in his voice as he talked about congress. That's a good sign, unless its a bait and switch, which he is well m own for.

    Most of the listed EO's don't sound horrible, but it remains to be seen how far he can take some of them. I think he very well knows how many guns have been purchased over the last few months, since the 2nd debate back in October. He knows what he faces with an all out ban.
     
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    He works at the pleasure of the president for the most part (some exceptions where he has independent discretionary powers, like investigating the executive branch in case of criminal activity). He follows orders, or he looses his job. it's pretty simple.
     
  7. anchorman

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    Maybe banning all guns is not actually his goal? I know it is the goal of some others, but you have to see that Obama is actually a corporate republican if you look at the historical picture. Nothing that he has done has really been very radical or different from what republicans have done and proposed in the past. He goes for pro-business, corporate remedies to problems whenever possible - it's not how I would do things, but it's what he does.

    What is probably more likely is that like many people, obama didn't grow up shooting, doesn't really know much about guns, and "assault weapons" seem like a scary thing to him, and he foolishly thinks banning them will somehow make life better. Hopefully (though I doubt it) he has a few people around him who are interested in shooting and can give perspective in this debate.
     
  8. dfsixstring

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    I would like to clarify something that others have stated: An executive order can only be directed to Federal Employees - not the general public. These are "laws" only in the sense that government employees have to abide by them. Soon, this will include all of healthcare too. We should be afraid at this point - from a, "what's coming next" stance. These 23 EOs mean little to me.


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  9. Texan Scott

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    I wasn't expecting him to do much ... but this is less than even *I* would have credited him with the cajones for. 23! Ooooh, it's an impressive number! He came off looking like a college freshman trying to turn three pages of research into a five page paper by fluffing it with two pages of wordy BS and a clear plastic binder.

    Taken as a whole, pretty pathetic. The average anti should be really angry ... sadly, most are probably still mindlessly worshipping.
     
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    This is the biggie thus far. Expect the list of prohibited people to be greatly expanded.
     
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    I think that in the interest of health care, it is time to press our representatives to lift the ridiculous restrictions on suppressors. Our hearing needs protection *now*.

    After all, maniacs have never used suppressors in committing their crimes.

    :p
     
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    I'm going to guess his announced E/O, E/A's fell really short of what the anti's wanted and expected.
     
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    LOL we just got the letter from ATF for #6. As if any FFL doesn't know how to handle a transfer. :rolleyes:
     
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    I smiled at this one. I encourage safe and responsible gun ownership among all my friends ... and if they don't own a gun, I encourage them to buy one!
     
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    No, HIPAA is not part of the Affordable Healthcare Act. (AHA) We may as well get used to calling it by it's name, so I'm starting even if it's a fantasy name. The Repubs have come up with their share of fantasy bills, too.

    The word for word exact same list is published on WSJ. http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/01/16/list-obamas-23-executive-actions-on-gun-violence/

    This is almost certainly a press release list.

    The list *IS* relatively benign as published, since there's no legal mumbo-jumbo there.

    But it presents us with the opportunity to do exactly what I've been advocating all along. Note all the words about mental health. Our lobby needs to become seen as the one for these agencies to "get money" from Congress.

    Like it or not, agencies live and die by their budgets, and they "find" things to support their benefactors. I'm not accusing them of being crooks. They aren't. They're also not unaware of where their bread gets buttered.

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    If this indeed is the list of the 23 Executive Orders, my only response is a shrug. I guess there's a reason Obama didn't itemize them in his speech. It would have put the audience to sleep. On the other hand, saying that he's signing 23 [!] EO's gives the fine impression that he's doing something. Typical pattern in this Presidency.
     
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    Nos 18 and 19 I could actually support. The rest of it I could care less about. There will be nothing getting through Congress. The panic should be over.
     
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    I suggest we get our lobbies to twist this to greatly expand the CMP. After all the framework is already in place.
     
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    I'll certainly get behind this one. And flash hiders, too.
     
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    Could of been a lot of worse all I can say. Now we just have to rely on congress to do right thing and block any possible infringements on the 2nd ammendment...
     
  23. rjrivero

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    If you read the first paragraph of that letter:

     
  24. Alaska444

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    As a physician myself, glad I am now retired!!

    Unfortunately, there are many doctors that promote gun control aggressively and will see this deputization as a mandate to personally police their patients. I am quite concerned about these provisions since Obamacare is all encompassing and connected with the electronic health record.

    Patient privacy is gone with these provisions, patients who own guns are likely not going to seek any mental health care to avoid reporting this condition to NICS.

    When you look at these provisions coupled with the invasion of privacy with Obamacare, they could be quite substantial when fully enacted and combined with more sure to come.
     
  25. Trent

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    Our children's pediatrician died last year. The children visited the new pediatrician for the first time before this school year started.

    The pediatrician asked my son "do you have guns in the house?"

    My wife (who was in the room) turned to him and said "That's none of your damned business!"

    When she told me this later, I wondered to myself if they have a check-box for that on their form.

    [X] Angry parent told me to place said question where the sun don't shine.
     
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