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List your sub-MOA factory fodder

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow, Feb 25, 2009.

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  1. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

    Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow member

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    If you've ever had a rifle truly shoot sub-MOA with factory ammo, please state the factory ammo and rifle shot in. I don't think I ever have consistently. I've had consistent 2 MOA groups with certain factory, but not 1 MOA. Serious responses / actual measured results only please. Thanks.
     
  2. adam500

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    In my Savage 10FP .223 I would use 55 GR V-MAX and the molly versions as well and would average about 3/4 MOA.

    Adam
     
  3. feets

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    Ruger 10/22 with cheapie Butler Creek bull barrel. It LOVES the crappy cheap Winchester 22s. It'll blow the staples out of a 25 yard target.
    Funny thing is that it doesn't like the high end 22 ammo.

    Can't get much better than an el cheapo gun that loves the lowest cost ammo.
     
  4. Funderb

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    .22-250, 1/2" with prvi partisan. 100 yds
     
  5. FlyinBryan

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    i dont think ive seen it.

    funny but the closest ive been to moa accuracy was with winchester white box 55fmj .223 in my bushmaster hbar. maybe a little better than 2moa.

    sub moa 5 shot groups are fairly common with the same rifle with the following load.

    22.4 g h322
    hornady 55 fmjbt
    lc or pmc brass trimmed to 1.755
    o.a.l. 2.225

    loaded on a loadmaster with lee pacesetter dies and a lee factory crimp die.

    i think there are rifles that can regularly shoot moa or better with certain factory loads.

    would you consider black hills custom ammo factory loads?
     
  6. taliv

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    you know, i can't recall ever shooting a sub-moa group with factory gun/rifle.

    the test targets on my KAC SR-25 and MK11 mod0 were both 5-round sub-MOA groups shot with factory ammo.

    but i could never afford factory ammo and always handloaded.
     
  7. Sweden

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    I've got a Tikka T3 SS Lite in .270 that shoots sub MOA with Federal softpoints, Privi Sp's AND Remington CorLocks. Most measure ~.90" With handloads & SMK bullets I've seen sub .5MOA groups. If the spread starts to get larger than 1" at 100, I know it's me and not the rifle. It will string vertically if hot.
     
  8. JDGray

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    Federal Gold Metal Match 168gr, shoots one hole groups at 100yrds, out of my Savage 10FP. This is prone, off a bipod, no bags:)
     
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  9. SN13

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    My best 3 shot group ever was in my .308.

    175gr Federal Premium Gold Match (It is factory Ammo).

    Group measured .7285" Outside-Outside. (Or .4205" C-C)

    Gun was factory except for the rail and scope.

    I usually get 1.15-1.5" groups with decent factory ammo out of the gun. But I got a great group out of those three shots.

    Here's a link to the gun I was using: CLICK
     
  10. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Funderb, what rifle?
     
  11. 30Cal

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    I get fairly consistant 1MoA or better with Hornady Light Magnum 140gr for 7mmx57 in my M70 Featherweight.
     
  12. H2O MAN

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    My MK14 SEI Crazy Horse Mod 0 shoots sub MOA groups with Portuguese surplus ball.
     
  13. TehK1w1

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    My savage 110 in 270 Win will shoot sub-MOA all day long with Hornady Custom 130 gr. Interlocks. The NEF Handi-rifle I just traded away would make right around 1 MOA with the same ammo.
     
  14. rklessdriver

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    Winchester Super X 64gr PP.

    I saw this little rifle on the wall of a local gun shop in Havelock NC back in 1995. It looked so slick with it's classic Weatherby styled green "Fibermark" stock. I bought it and gave it to my dad for fathers day that year. It will shoot under 1" with about any 55gr ammo (even some super hot Malayisian 55gr surplus FMJ I bought once that kept blowing the primers out...) but for some reason it really, really likes the above 2 Winchester factory loads averaging 1/2" and 5/8" 3 shot groups. It will shoot 5 shots well under an inch as well with that ammo but the barrel is tapered and very light weight so it heats up quickly, I've never shot any groups over 5 rounds with it.

    I've got a bunch of stories about money I've won betting on the accuracy of this little rifle.
    Will
     
  15. CoRoMo

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    My Ruger M77 Mark II is a shooter. .270 Win
    The dealer that sold it to me gave me a free box of Winchester Power Points 130gr. when I bought the gun. That was the only factory ammo that ever went through that rifle as I reload.
    Before the box was empty I was able to achieve a three shot group of 1.1875", but again, that was the only factory ammo this rifle has ever tried.
    My handloads are much more impressive.
    HMR 4831 and Hornady SP slide inside 0.75" consistently.
    From the looks of the groups, one shot tends to throw wide and the other two make one oblong hole. I think the wide shot might be my fault rather than the rifle and I suppose it would shoot a one hole group if locked in a vice.
     
  16. gvnwst

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    I don't think i can shoot sub MOA with any of my rifles capable of it, but my POF likes hornady 75gr match and TAP FPD in the hands of a better shooter.
     
  17. Funderb

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    dr. tad-

    Savage 12 series, one of the old ones without the accutrigger. 22-250 rem.

    I bought it for my dad, and am trying hard to keep it his!
     
  18. tango2echo

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    Win M70 .300WM with Win FailSafe 180gr. Near .5MOA

    Savage 110 .243 with Fed Premium 100gr. Below .5MOA

    Savage F/TR .308 with Fed Fusion 150gr. Right at 1MOA

    Ruger M77 .30-06 with cheap Win 165gr spbt's. .75MOA

    Savage 116 Classic .270 with Hornaday Light Mag 130gr. 1MOA

    A couple of these rifles shoot sub .4MOA with reloads and the F/TR will shoot under .3MOA with the mods and reloads.

    T2E
     
  19. .38 Special

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    Considering the "tactical" AR-15 bashing I've done, people are sometimes surprised when I write about an Eagle Arms "Eagle Eye" rifle I used to have that shot well under half inch(!) 10 shot groups(!!!) with Black Hills ammo.

    That was the most accurate factory rifle of any kind -- bolt guns included -- that I have ever owned, and I could never match the Black Hills ammo with my handloads, even with Berger benchrest bullets and benchrest loading techniques.
     
  20. sublimaze41

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    Remington 541-T. It shoots the Federal bulk bullets .5 MOA or less all day at 50 yards.

    Funny that I almost did't get this rifle. I have a friend who is a rimfire nut. He told me just buy it and later you'll be happy.

    BTW, the magazines on those were probably the worst ever invented.
     
  21. strambo

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    Win. M70 Laredo (heavy, floated barrel model) in 300WM. Federal Premium w/ 200g Sierra BTSP. .9" 5 shots @ 100yds.

    I've never shot factory match grade through it, my handloads do about 3/4 MOA.
     
  22. atlanticfire

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    I'll second that Savage FTR in .308, and raise you a Weatherby vanguard Sub-MOA Matte in 300 wby. I reload but have done sub moa with Premium Federal in both before I reloaded.
     
  23. Wesson Smith

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    I'll never shoot any rifle that well, but with a bit younger pair of eyes,
    and a little steadier trigger finger I believe that my Kimber 84M Longmaster
    in .308 would be up to that task for me. I have it scoped with a Leupold
    VX-III LR and I feed it Federal Gold Medal Sierra Match.
     
  24. S&Wfan

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    I get sub-MOA using Winchesters' now discontinued:banghead: Failsafe 140gn. in .270Win . . . out of my 1973 Remington 700LH (an early left handed, long action BDL variant).

    My best 3-shot group at 100 yards was slightly under a half inch. I also shot a 150 yard group once the day before the opening of deer season with it smaller than 1/2 inch. Best of all, I was with some buddies from work . . . so I had braggin' rights. They couldn't believe it and frankly, neither could I.

    Who says a .270 can't shoot tight groups!!!

    I had a Leupold Vari-XIII 6.5-20 AO on it then, and zooming it in at 150 yards after the second shot freaked me out . . . for I feared the scope had totally lost it's zero after the first round. Then, the third shot only BARELY enlarged the one hole a little to the side. Sure enough, the second shot almost exactly went into the first hole!

    I'm very sick Winchester discontinued my favorite factory round. I've NEVER been able to beat its performance with handloads and I'm not deep enough with spare ammo!!!:(

    I took my biggest buck ever with this "over-penetrating" round in 1996 . . . a quartering away shot that ended up between the hide and the exiting shoulder. It fell to the ground when I caped it out! Damn I've loved my results with this round through the years!!!

    Oh yeah, here's my early Remington 700 . . . now wearing a Burris Posi-Lock on a one-piece Leupold mount. The "character marks" on the stock are from years goin' up trees in the deep Georgia woods. A good, honest deer rifle indeed:

    [​IMG]


    BTW, the hide beneath the rifle is from a piebald buck I took with my 6" S&W Model 29-5 a couple of years ago.

    AHHHH . . . the memories. That's part of the fun of shooting sports ain't it!!!
     
  25. Coal Dragger

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    Rifle: Steyr SSG 69 PII (.308 WIN)
    Optic: Nightforce 3.5-15X50

    Ammunition capable of consistent MOA to sub MOA accuracy:

    Federal GM 168gr and 175gr match.
    Black Hills 168gr and 175gr match.

    The Federal is a little more consistent in my rifle and will produce consistent 3/4 to 1 MOA groups for five shots.

    The Black Hills loads also shoot really well, but are not as consistent. Most 5 shot groups hover around .8-1.1 MOA, but every now and again I'll get a screamer odd ball group of 1/2 MOA or better.

    If we want to talk about 3 shot groups any of the ammo I listed will easily stay in 3/4 to 1/2 MOA, which speaks poorly of my concentration....

    FYI the 175gr loads shoot a little better than the 168gr loads where Match Kings are concerned. Another hand load I have developed with 168 Berger VLD's is better though. Last time I shot it I had one called flyer that opened up a 5 shot group to .91 inch center to center, with the other 4 going into a hole (.32 ctc).
     
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