Load Data for 124gr XTP's with CFE Pistol

[Captaingyro]

I just got some 124gr Hornady XTP bullets for 9mm, and want to load 'em up with CFE Pistol, but my Hornady reloading manual is the seventh edition and doesn't list that powder. I'm trying to download the ebook version of the new manual, but Apple just released a big software update for the iPhone and their servers are jammed up from world-wide downloading.

If anyone has the new ninth edition, could you please tell me the charges it lists for this bullet, or the 125gr HAP?

(I do have the data from Hodgdon, listing 4.8 grains as max, but that barely breaks 1000 fps for me out of a 5" barrel and I'm trying to see if Hornady has tested to a higher charge weight.)

 

[bearleft]

CFE pistol

From the Hodgdon book: 5" barrel, COL.=1.140, 124 gr.XTP, CFE Pistol
4.9gr.= 1143
5.2gr. =1194
5.5gr. =1234

 

[kcofohio]

Here is what I found with CFE-P. The following were chrony'd out of a 4" barrel. And I was looking to stay in the standard pressure range.

125 gr. Sierra JHP, COAL 1.005". Bullet length .546". Seating depth 291". 4.7 gr. of CFE-P gave me an average of 1054 fps.

124 gr. JHP (Precision Delta), COAL 1.065". Bullet length .577". Seating depth .262". 4.8 gr. of CFE-P gave me an average of 1073 fps.

Of the 2 bullets, Sierra has slightly more bearing surface.

Western Powder has in their data, the Hornady 124 gr. XTP COAL as 1.060". If I have the right info, the XTP is .603" in length. So that would be a seating depth of .293". That would be closer to the Sierra bullet. Though I don't know of the bearing surface between the 2.

I tried pushing another JHP over 1100 fps with CFE-P, and found it best to work with something like Longshot or HS-6. Even AA #7 would probably be better for more velocity than CFE-P.

This may not be the info you are looking for. But I thought I would throw it out there.

 

[egd]

FWIW, I use the RMR hard plated 124 gr RN bullet, oal of ~1.135, with 5.0 gr of CFE-P.

 

[Dudedog]

Different bullet RMR 124 HP (expanding one not the "Target" one but for what it's worth
5" Springfield 1911 9mm OAL 1.08 S+B SP Primers, mixed range brass

RMR 124 gr HP 4.5 CFE Pistol
988.00
984.00
977.00
960.00
987.00

Average 979.20
ES 28.00
SD 11.56
PF 121.42


RMR 124gr HP 4.8gr CFE Pistol
1049.00
1063.00
1062.00
1079.00
1055.00

Average 1061.60
ES 30.00
SD 11.26
PF 131.64

Not as much velocity potential as Longshot IMO but shoots well. (not as loud as loudshot er, Longshot)

 

[Captaingyro]

@bearleft: thank you, that is exactly what I was looking for. It's amazing how much difference there is between Hodgdon's data and Hornady's. I suspected there was some potential with higher charge weights for this combination.

Thank you everyone else for the data. This is excellent information, and will come in very handy. I'm surprised the Hodgdon data is so conservative, but maybe the explanation is that they limited the COL to 1.060", which seems very short for this bullet.

 

[Captaingyro]

Well this is frustrating. I was finally able to buy the Kindle version of Hornady's Ninth edition, and I can't find the same data in it that Bearleft found. Bearleft, you mention the "Hodgdon book", and I have the 2016 Hodgdon Annual Reloading Manual (the one that's in magazine form), but it doesn't list the 124gr XTP at all, and lists a max charge of 4.8gr of CFE Pistol for the 125gr HAP.

Did you happen to mean the "Hornady book"? If so, which edition and what page? In my (electronic) version of the Hornady Ninth Edition, the 9mm 124 grain data shows up on page 771, and it doesn't list CFE Pistol. I'm really stumped as to where this data appears, and I'd like to make sure my electronic version of the Hornady manual is the same as the paper edition. Thanks for any clarity you can provide.

 

[grogetr]

The Hornady 9th edition book I have doesn't list CFE-P

 

[Captaingyro]

Thank you, grogetr, that's a piece of the puzzle. I've got the latest Hornady and Hodgdon manuals, but I just can't find the data Bearleft is seeing anywhere, either in the paper manuals or online. I have a friend who swears he found the same date as Bearleft, but can't remember where he saw it. I'd sure like to have the same resources, if I could just find out what they are.

 

[bearleft]

CFE data

www.midwayusa.com/product/818626/hodgdon-2015-annual-reloading-manual-reloading-manual . I picked mine up at Cabela's for $8.

 

[bearleft]

CFE data

Here you go.

 

[Captaingyro]

Thank you Bearleft...that explains everything. The data appeared in last year's Hodgdon Annual Reloading Manual, but not in the data tables at the back of the magazine. Instead it was contained in the article about 9mm loads that appeared in that edition. I have the 2016 edition, but missed the one from 2015. Again, thank you.

 

[Captaingyro]

kcofohio: looking over your very helpful data I have to agree that HS-6 is probably a better choice to get the velocity up for these bullets. At this point I'm just using the loads for accuracy, and focusing on the HAP bullets, which can be found sometimes at very reasonable prices. But I have to agree with you, a different powder would probably offer better top end performance.