Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by w296, Oct 13, 2022.
No, they are not.
The so-called 9mm Makarov is really a 9.2mm with .365" bullets.
If you run a Makarov case through 9mm P dies, you get a short 9mm P.
Been busy. Two weeks of on-call. Besides, y’all got this.
Lee dies work great for the Mak and they’re cheap. Cut down 9mmLuger brass works well but it’s a little bit of work. I use plated lead 95gr RFN and 2.8gr of TiteGroup with Remington 1-1/2 primers. Works in all my Maks but you might want to start at 2.5gr and work up until you get reliable function.
Will work but why not use 9mm MAK data? It's not like there is no data out there for 9X18.
Missouri Bullet Company has cast bullets the correct size.
Happy with my Lee dies for 9X18.
When using cut-down 9x19 cases, start at the lowest end of 9x18 or 9x17 data, whichever is lower for the chosen bullet. As has been pointed out, the 9x19 case is considerably thicker and tapered so there's less space and its possible for pressure to build pretty quickly compared to the same loads in a thinner Mak or ACP case. That's not written in stone, just a good rule of thumb. If fudging projectiles and using tables for a bullet other than what's being loaded, definitely start low and work up to reliable function. Then worry about accuracy and velocity. A lot of these little guns are surplus from countries where they didn't get rid of stuff until it was worn out and didn't spend a lot of money building things right to begin with. Be careful.
1) I tried cutting down 9x19 brass. Not (IMO) worth the trouble. Several thousandths small in diameter, so had to flare the heck out of it, as well as trim off a mm. And, if memory serves, the bottom of the case was ever so slightly different; can't remember for sure, but think it took a different shell holder? Anyways, I gave up on that project quick enough. Bought S&B (my FEG liked it pretty well), and reloaded the brass
2) the standard .380ACP loads *seem* to be a close starting point - but I would look up WELL ESTABLISHED recipes for 9x18 from WELL KNOWN, REPUTABLE sources (such as powder manufacturer websites, and reloading manuals.
I'm not very brave when it comes to using explosive propellents in a mechanism that I'll be operating right near my face...
3) I ran a set of inexpensive Lee dies for Mak - since the cartridges a few thousands different diameter then everything else, I didn't bother trying to make something else work
For what it's worth, I found that my particular gun would work pretty well with a Berry's bullet over as little as 3.2 gr. of Bullseye. Or, that's what I think I remember - as they say, "your mileage may vary; ask your doctor if this reloading advice is right for you; void where prohibited..."
Seriously, do your homework before trying that load, I haven't messed with those for a number of years, and am out of town where I can't check my records
The problem is sorting the brass when you get home. All of your brass will be marked "Luger", therefore you'll need to convert to a time consuming length-based method of sorting, unless you also combine the trimming process with a color marking step, such as using Dykem machinist dye.
I make it real simple in two ways: first, I leave my cut down Luger->Mak brass where it falls. I load it hot enough that I really don’t want it back. Second, I only cut down Luger brass that I would never load as Luger for my guns. That means bothersome head stamps, split rims, belled heads - used up, wore out, would’ve been scrapped if it couldn’t be cut down for just one last use brass. Makes it really easy to leave behind.
It takes me all of an hour for 25 rounds to go from dirty no good 9x19mm Luger to nice and shiny ready to load 9x18mm Makarov. Add 1/2 an hour for 25 more and another hour for 100 more. Once I get in a groove it goes faster. I’m fine with that considering how little I shoot Makarovs.
I found it sorta worked with .380 ammo, until I cleared the gun and a .380 cartridge slipped the extractor and stayed in the firing chamber when it shudda been ejected. So nyet on that comrade.
9x18mm Mak ammo in Mak pistol, no .380 unless it's zombie apocalypse and that's all I have or nada.
I have done the trimming 9x19 thing too. During the recent unpleasantness with supplies, I trimmed up a bunch. I stick to headstamps that I have in Makarov but I don’t load in Luger. Typically S&B, Hornady, GFL. I only load win and blazer 9x19 to keep from mixing them up. Also a big red marker on the head of the trimmed cases. Even then, they stay as a backup supply.
That said, I came into a lot of steel cased Wolf ammo, so I’m on hiatus from Makarov loading for a while. I’d rather use my primers for 38 Special.
Gee, thanks. I don't want it either.
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