Local indoor range no longer allows WWB ammo

[natman]

I wouldn't shoot at a range that tried to keep me from recovering my brass or banned lead bullets.

I OWN that brass. I'm not giving them whatever the range fee is PLUS the value of the brass. I reload for every handgun caliber I shoot.

I can afford neither factory practice ammo, nor to handload jacketed bullets.

I said they were good reasons, i.e. reasons based on a rational approach to the situation from the range's perspective.

That doesn't mean that they are "fair", that you have to like them or that you're not free to disagree with them because you certainly are.

The only thing that has been definitely established about this range's ban on WWB ammo is that it's NOT designed to force you to buy the range's ammo.

 

[mgkdrgn]

They don't want you spilling the bulk-pack box of ammo all over the place! Repackage it in WWB 50-packs and everybody will be happy.

THAT could well be the reason. The last time I bought WWB 9mm was at a WalMart (some months ago!), and the guy dumped 2 of 'em all over the floor before he managed to get me the two I had asked for.

 

[MagnumDweeb]

It's nice that a range has rules on ammo, and that they have ammunition they approve or don't approve of. A local range i goes to has the same rules, and good for them. They don't check my ammo, so too bad for them when I bring in my reloads, use Wallly World ammo, or ammo I've gotten online or through my FFL guy. It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission. They don't want my business they can ask me to leave. They want my business(I only pay to use the range and sometimes buy their targets) then all they have to do is lower their incredibly high ammo prices. Yes they have a business to run yada yada yada and all that hoopla, but I've got only so much money to spend. It's as cold and as simple as that.

 

[RainDodger]

They will allow you to use a brass catcher, of course. It's only when it hits the floor that they won't let you pick it up. I would never shoot there - I have a buddy that is a member there. He doesn't yet reload, so he doesn't really care, although he's thinking about it now.

That brass is mine. I bought it and I'm taking it out of there when I go... so I'd never patronize them.

 

[glassman]

I've been a member at Targetmaster for a couple of years and with the exception of one guy behind the counter, have had a good relationship with them. They seem friendly, knowledgable and willing to spend the time needed to answer questions, show firearms, etc. I bought a scope for one of my rifles and they mounted it while I waited free of charge. Their prices for guns/ammo are competative and overall, IMHO, it's a decent place to shoot. I asked about the wwb and was told that the owner had a personal bone to pick with wallyworld and chooses to disallow their ammo. His shop, his rules.

I wouldn't shoot at a range that tried to keep me from recovering my brass or banned lead bullets.

You can pick up your brass and take it home..no problem. I've never seen anyone prohibited from doing that.They disallow lead for the health and safety of their personell(and shooters).

They are the only indoor range that I know of in my area, and they do carry a great selection of products.

There are three that I can think of within a thirty minute drive. They are a tad S&W heavy but you can find almost every manufacturer represented there.

I am amazed that they allow 223 at all, apparently their house load is OK to shoot indoors.

Their .223 ammo is frangible.
I sound like a walking advertisement for the place and maybe I am, but I'm there every week and have always been treated well and will continue to go.

 

[cuervo]

Dick's Sporting goods sells 250rd Mega Packs of UMC ammo. Take a box of that in and see what they say. (Or an economy pack of Federal from Wal-Mart.)

It's not WWB, so they shouldn't complain.

 

[highhawk]

range and driver's license surrender?

Went to a range today that wanted me to surrender my driver's license until I was through shooting. When I asked why I was told that this was NRA and local LEO recommendation. Have shot at various ranges in 6 states and have never run across this requirement before. Think of it as another nail in our freedoms. Am I being paranoid?

 

[COMPNOR]

yes. they might have had issues with people skipping out. Besides, its a PRIVATE business. they aren't nailing lids on anything. Perhaps instead of going to paranoia mode, why not ask why? for a change.

 

[Mags]

Just put your ammo in a plastic bag and carry on.

 

[scottaschultz]

Went to a range today that wanted me to surrender my driver's license until I was through shooting... Think of it as another nail in our freedoms.

My usual range (operated by the state Dept of Conservation) does this too, but I never thought of it is "surrendering" anything. I give them $3 and my license and I always get it back when I am done, so exactly what freedom am I giving up? Its not like I can't leave any time I want and I am not going to be driving anywhere while I am there.

Am I being paranoid?

Yes!

Scott

 

[bigfatdave]

Am I being paranoid?

A little.
A range I occasionally use for their rentals does that as well. I think it is as much to discourage stupidity on the line as anything else.

 

[akodo]

Last time I went, I didn't want to use up my dwindling supply of .38spl so I asked what they had cheap for plinking. The guy behind the counter took a box of remmington from a stack of "range ammo." I was surprised at how reasonably priced it was. Another counter guy then asked me what kind of gun I was shooting. When I told him, he said - wait, use this instead, it's better for your gun. It was the same price. I thought that was a nice bit of knowledgeable service at their end. I think I'm going to go again just to buy up more cheap range ammo than I'll actually shoot lol.

what the?

???

Sorry, but that to me sounds REAL FISHY. A gun should be able to digest ANY ammo it is designed to handle with no harm. There is no sliding scale...especially if it is all range ammo.

Now, you might have an issue were ammo maker X is not known for quality control and you have an increased risk of getting an overcharged load, but then we are talking manufacture error.

And I suppose there is an issue with some of the rifling style of, say, older marlin lever action rifles and cast lead bullets, but we are talking about just a handful of pretty obscure situations.

I have to ask...what kind of gun were you shooting, what kind of ammo did you initially select and which kind of ammo did he steer you toward?

 

[JWF III]

Blazer and steel cased ammo screw up brass recycling,

Well it wouldn't work for Blazer, but there's this new invention called a magnet. It'll pick every steel case out of a pile of brass. Just slide it through the pile a few times and they all just magically stick to it.

As far as the Blazer goes, it's very easy and just slightly more time consuming, to pick out the different colored cases while they are still in a pile.

Wyman

 

[ezypikns]

Amen to that.

Glad I don't have to deal with that kinda stuff.

There's a range in one of our suburbs here that won't allow me to shoot my reloads.

Guess where I don't go any more.

 

[Deanimator]

I said they were good reasons, i.e. reasons based on a rational approach to the situation from the range's perspective.

I didn't say they couldn't make whatever [lawful] rules they wanted, no matter how idiotic. I said they couldn't do it and have MY money.

Or are you saying, they have a RIGHT to MY money?

 

[Deanimator]

Went to a range today that wanted me to surrender my driver's license until I was through shooting. When I asked why I was told that this was NRA and local LEO recommendation. Have shot at various ranges in 6 states and have never run across this requirement before. Think of it as another nail in our freedoms. Am I being paranoid?

It's pretty common these days. I've seen it in several ranges in at least two states.

I only shoot on my club range now, so I don't have to bother with such things.

 

[chuckusaret]

Here in Palm Beach County you are not allowed to use your own ammo at any of the indoor gun ranges. You are required to purchase the range's ammo at outrageous prices for cheap dirty ammo. My last trip to the range was for one hour and the range fee and ammo exceeded $100. Needless to say, I no longer use the indoor ranges......

 

[LibShooter]

Call me crazy, but if you sign up and agree to shoot at any range, you're agreeing to abide by their rules. Shooting prohibited ammunition from decoy boxes is a breach of contract and just wrong.

Tell them you don't like their rules, and that's why you're NOT shooting there but don't lie.

 

[KarenTOC]

I have to ask...what kind of gun were you shooting, what kind of ammo did you initially select and which kind of ammo did he steer you toward?

No doubt I've worded my experience poorly. I asked what they charged for "cheap plinking .38 spl". The guy picked up a box from a pile of "range ammo" and was still fiddling with the upc reader when the other guy at the opposite end of the counter asked what kind of gun I'd be shooting. Told him I'd be shooting 2, both new-to-me: S&W 66, and Colt Cobra, first time shooting both of them. He took a box of Remington 130gr from the pile of "sell to customers" ammo and said it would be better for the Colt. The original box was back in the range ammo pile before I thought to ask what it was. I assume it was 158 gr. Both were Remington, and were the same price.

I know the Colt can handle +p *rarely* and +p+ *never* so his suggestion didn't seem unreasonable to me. What was more impressive to me was that he asked at all. He was busy doing paperwork, but stopped to check and make sure that I was getting the right ammo. Possibly my being female and asking for "cheap plinking ammo" caused him to think I might not know what I'm doing. He's totally correct on that. (I'm still trying to remember not to embarrass myself by asking for a box of "bullets" lol.) Even if he were wrong, and the bullet size wasn't an issue, I believe his customer service skills deserve an atta-boy.

(ps: not to go off-topic, but if you know that what he said is wrong, I'd welcome your input)

Targetmaster:
> Lets - no, expects.. no, requires - you to pick up your own brass, except for that which falls forward of the line of fire. Sort it and dump it in one of the provided buckets, or sweep it forward of the line of fire. Just clean up after yourself.
> Holds your drivers' license while you shoot
> Allows Remington and Federal bulk pack .22lr (in fact, if you tell them you're shootling .22lr they won't even look. I've shot WWB bulk pack there with no problem. Maybe it's only a problem if the owner is behind the counter

 

[wyohome]

Their website has a phone #, call and ask.

 

[Blackbeard]

Call me crazy, but if you sign up and agree to shoot at any range, you're agreeing to abide by their rules. Shooting prohibited ammunition from decoy boxes is a breach of contract and just wrong.

You're crazy. Their prohibition is on the Winchester 100-round value packs. The same ammo comes in 50-round boxes too. I say once you take it out of the 100-round value pack box and put it in a 50-round box, you have satisfied the terms of the agreement.

 

[LeonCarr]

Why a range would put restrictions on ammo to make it harder for their customers is beyond me. As long as they are not shooting AP, who cares?

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

 

[scotthsi]

What's that NASA looking control panel to the right of the girl in the range picture?

 

[wrs840]

Two stupid questions:

I think it's real important to practice frequently with the ammo you intend to depend on in a "non-practice" situation. Is this not common sense?

What's specifically their beef with WWB 100 packs? I caught the "spill" guess, seems pretty far-fetched to me...

Les

 

[scotthsi]

I think it's real important to practice frequently with the ammo you intend to depend on in a "non-practice" situation. Is this not common sense?

Sure it's common sense and we'd ALL love to be able to blast hundreds if not thousands of rounds "willy nilly" with the most expensive of whatever premium, super duper hollowpoint self-defense rounds we want/choose to carry.

It doesn't make ECONOMIC sense...