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Locked breech .32 or .380 pistols that aren't tiny pocket guns?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by TTv2, Oct 9, 2021.

  1. Terry G

    Terry G Member

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    Looks good, I've never seen or heard of one before.
     
  2. HisSoldier

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    The Keltec P32 is the only locked breech .32 I know of, having never owned one I had to download the manual to prove it to myself. But it's plastic so there's that.
    Several people mentioned that the RIA BabyRock .380 is blowback, but I think many don't remember that the original hype from all quadrants was that it was to be a locked breech handgun. I still think Armscor should continue R&D towards that end because, heck, if Llama could do it I'd expect RIA should be able to.
    Now that would be a truly nice .380 (And while I'm dreaming, offer a stainless model too please).
     
  3. zaitcev

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    That only goes to show how much you can trust the all quadrants. As for Llama, the gun had the Browning system originally. The I, II, III, and Especiale are all locked breech. They switched over to blowback in the middle of III-A run without even changing the designation (which makes a massive PITA to buy off Gunbrocker with bad pictures). The MicroMax that replaced III-A is strictly blowback, and that is what RIA copied. They did not have to do any R&D, just select a gun they want to copy.
     
  4. HisSoldier

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    "That only goes to show how much you can trust the all quadrants."

    I should have said it outright, the main quadrant was Armscor as I remember it, hyping it up before it was past the prototype phase. That still doesn't explain why they never went the whole distance. And no, they specifically said it was intended to be locked breech. The reason I know is because I latched onto their promo stuff with excitement.
    And THAT'S why I was so bummed out when they didn't follow through with it. To me if you're going to copy a 1911 that means locked breech, and I agree Llama faked me out a few times.
    I wouldn't have been interested if their promos had started out saying it would be a blowback.

    BTW, my first Llama was a disaster, but all the rest have been great. The only Llama I own that is blowback is the .22.
     
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  5. MAKster

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    The people who keep incorrectly saying that the RIA 380 is locked breach aren't saying it because of something RIA said but because frankly most gun owners have no idea how guns actually work. They see it's cosmetic similarity to a 1911 and assume that means it is the same internally. You hear the same thing with people saying a Glock trigger is the same as a double action revolver. They have no understanding that all these "double action" striker fired pistols are pre-cocked and are essentially single action.
     
  6. HisSoldier

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    I just spent an hour trying to find an early promo that described the new upcoming .380 as a locked breech, but the earliest I could find was 2015. The promo I remember was earlier than that as the guns had not finished production line teething. It's possible I read it wrong in haste, seeing "Locked Breech" while missing a "Not" in front. Like I say, I was pretty hyped up until I found they had failed to make it locked breech.

    "frankly most gun owners have no idea how guns actually work."

    There isn't a whole lot to learn about pistols that I have missed in 72 years, and certainly I know a locked breech pistol from a blowback, if that was a sneer in my direction.

    I think I bought my first Llama .380 in 1972 (My first pistol was a steel framed Colt's Combat Commander a year or so before that).
    It's strange to look back and realize we didn't have an internet back then, but we had something called "Libraries" and "Magazines" which both received a lot of attention from me.
    But knowledge puffs people up, and so I have to admit there is probably more I don't know about pistols (Or anything else) than what I do.
     
  7. Skylerbone

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    I think 2 respondents thought it was locked breach, hardly “most people”. I see no need of posts that stereotype and assume rather than inform. (Not directed at you, HisSoldier).
     
  8. TTv2

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    OP here, I did think the RIA it was locked breech because it was a 1911. Good thing I don't buy guns on impulse from the LGS.
     
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  9. Tallball

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    Good thing you didn't buy it. I bought one on a whim and the trigger was so stiff that I traded it towards something else.
     
  10. Zendude

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    The Walther CCP M2 380 is not exactly a locked breech design, however it is a soft shooting mid sized current production pistol.
     
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  11. SDGlock23

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    I'd recommend a G42, it's small but not LCP level small and it shoots like a larger gun.
     
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