Lon Horiuchi A Spokesperson For HS Precision ?

[Flyboy]

I couldn't navigate Remington's phone tree, so I called their Public Relations line. I was transferred to the Director of Marketing who said he'd look into it and get in touch with HS Precision (among others) to find out what's going on.

I also referred him to this thread so that he can see what's going on in the Internet community.

Followup: a scan of the cover with Mr. Horiuchi's endorsement can be found at http://www.awrm.org/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=21;t=003547;p=0

 

[jerkface11]

depends on what community in one the school of thought he followed the rules of engagement his bosses laid out.

Um we have to take his word for that since they won't release the rules of engagement. Even if he was following them though he's still a murderer.

 

[RPCVYemen]

How on earth any person in the long range precision shooting community wouldn't see the name Lon Horiuchi and immediately associate it with either murder or incompetence is beyond me.

Who's buying the their rifles?

If HS Precision is not selling to the Ruby Ridge tinfoil parade, do they care?

For example, if they are selling to the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, an endorsement from Lon Horiuchi might be a big plus.

Mike

 

[Coronach]

Well, we're about to see how good of an idea it is.

Personally, I think it incredibly stupid to make one segment of the market mad at me while trying to woo another with the very personification of lethal government incompetence, but hey, that's just me.

Mike

 

[SuperNaut]

tinfoil parade

It's tinfoil brigade.

RPCVY, since you have obviously fallen in love with the term, please try to use the correct term. Perhaps then (with luck), the correct application of the term will follow.

 

[Just Jim]

If HS Precision is not selling to the Ruby Ridge tinfoil parade, do they care?

Sounds like the BHO civilian army is runing a recruiting drive and Lon will fit right in.

jj

 

[Deanimator]

For example, if they are selling to the FBI and other law enforcement agencies, an endorsement from Lon Horiuchi might be a big plus.

And if they were selling to the Aryan Brotherhood and other violent White supremacist groups (like the one which organized the "Good Old Boy's Roundup" for years), an endorsement from Tom Metzger might be a big plus.

 

[Flyboy]

Update 2: CZ no longer uses HS Products (they discontinued a couple of years ago due to inability to deliver enough product in a timely manner), but their catalog is out of date. They will be updating their catalog and web site.

 

[Justin]

And if they were selling to the Aryan Brotherhood and other violent White supremacist groups (like the one which organized the "Good Old Boy's Roundup" for years), an endorsement from Tom Metzger might be a big plus.

Deanimator wins the thread.

 

[RPCVYemen]

It's tinfoil brigade.

I accept that bit of eldering. I think of the cadre of tinfoil theorists like the Shriners who ride the minibikes in the 4th of July parade, but maybe that's the wrong image.

HS Precision being worried that and endorsement by Len Horiuchi will offend the Tinfoil Brigade is like McDonald's being worried that a Big Mac commercial will offend PETA.

Mike

 

[Flyboy]

Update 3:
I just spoke to Brian in Marketing at Savage. He didn't know who Lon Horiuchi is, or who Randy and Vicki Weaver are, but he had at least heard of Ruby Ridge. He did know who Jim Zumbo is. I pointed out the issue with Lon Horiuchi and HS Precision, and he said he'd look into it.

 

[RPCVYemen]

the Aryan Brotherhood and other violent White supremacist groups

You're confused. Randy Weaver was the one selling to the Aryan Brotherhood other violent White supremacist groups.

HS Precision is selling to people who think that shooting US Marshals is a bad thing.

Mike

 

[yeti]

HS Precision being worried that and endorsement by Len Horiuchi will offend the Tinfoil Brigade is like McDonald's being worried that a Big Mac commercial will offend PETA.

Good try, but backwards.
It is like Micky D's having their products endorsed by PETA, and not being concerned that it could upset their beef eating patrons.

 

[Just Jim]

And if they were selling to the Aryan Brotherhood and other violent White supremacist groups (like the one which organized the "Good Old Boy's Roundup" for years), an endorsement from Tom Metzger might be a big plus.

What you have pointed out sir is exactly what they have done to the gun community. They have used for endoresment a man that is the equal or worse than Metzger. Thanks for making the point.

jj

 

[General Geoff]

Please don't attempt to marginalize Horiuchi's murderous act by calling his critics "tinfoil paraders." It's not only demeaning to his critics, but also to the sanctity of human life.

 

[Coronach]

HS Precision is selling to people who think that shooting US Marshals is a bad thing.

And, by logical extension, shooting women and infants with their precision weapons is a good thing.

This is an inane idea.

Mike

 

[rbernie]

HS Precision is selling to people who think that shooting US Marshals is a bad thing.

They would also like to sell their product to civilians who think that Horiuchi shooting thru a window to kill an unarmed woman holding a baby was less than sporting.

Either Horiuchi was unaware that his target was a non-combatant (in which case he should not have taken the shot by any reasonable standard) or he was aware and simply did not care (in which case he is a depraved and sick human being).

Either way - he's not the ideal spokesperson for a company that does not intend to solely pursue government contracts.

 

[Just Jim]

You're confused. Randy Weaver was the one selling to the Aryan Brotherhood other violent White supremacist groups.

HS Precision is selling to people who think that shooting US Marshals is a bad thing.

So how did the courts treat Weaver, did he go to jail or did they let him go with alot of money for his trouble????

jim

 

[yeti]

So Vicky Weaver, who never sold a gun the the Aryans, never shot a Marshall, and was holding a baby, not a gun, was a legitimate target?

 

[RPCVYemen]

And, by logical extension, shooting women and infants with their precision weapons is a good thing.

So everyone who believes that shooting Federal Marshals is a bad thing therefore believes that shooting women and infants is a good thing?

Be kind enough to sketch out that argument for those of us who can't follow it.

I would have thought that it was possible to believe that shooting Federal Marshals is a bad thing and believe that shooting women and infants was also a bad thing. I guess that's logically impossible.

Mike

 

[RPCVYemen]

So Vicky Weaver, who never sold a gun the the Aryans, never shot a Marshall, and was holding a baby, not a gun, was a legitimate target?

How do you derive that?

Mike

 

[General Geoff]

Shooting at a federal Marshal is a bad thing.


Shooting and killing an unarmed mother with a baby in her arms is downright monstrous. Horiuchi is thus, by extension, the worst kind of monster.

 

[RPCVYemen]

Please don't attempt to marginalize Horiuchi's murderous act by calling his critics "tinfoil paraders."

Only the Tinfoil Brigade thinks it was murder.

Mike

 

[Coronach]

...do you KNOW what you're talking about? Do you know what Lon Horiuchi did?

 

[Justin]

I was unaware that Vicki Weaver actually shot any US Marshalls.

Certainly she was guilty of holding cretinously stupid beliefs, and having bad taste in marriage partners, but I don't see how that justifies her being shot to death.