Long arms for home defense?

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  1. bigbore442001

    bigbore442001 Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    New England
    I know this post may seem borderline moronic, but I'd like to share my opinions and garner some as well on the use of a long arm for self defense.

    One of the great joys of living in southern New England is the patchwork of gun laws. This is especially true of carrying a handgun. Connecticut is a shall issue state and many Massachusetts residents have a Connecticut Permit to Carry. This is especially true along the border where you cross it like crossing your back yard.

    Rhode Island is the bug bear. It is basically impossible to obtain a permit to carry concealed as a non-resident . The AG Patrick Lynch is as antigun as can be. Unless you are a VIP or someone engaged in a business that involves large sums of cash( unofficially, the amount of 5K rings a bell) you will not be issued one.

    After having looked at the laws and trying to figure them out( a call to them is as useless as mammary glands on a bull) I have concluded that some sort of long arm would be the best way to defend my life as well as that of my fiance, Mary. When I visit her in the Ocean State, I sort of feel naked without something. In addition, my new employment is located there as well. So, unless I want to risk arrest, a long arm is the only option.

    I was thinking,and go ahead and laugh or chastise me, keeping my old Ruger 10/22 autoloader at her place for any percieved problems. I know that such a round is not the greatest choice but it will have to do temporarily. I figure a couple 25 round magazines with CCI Stingers( which have always performed flawlessly in this gun) would be used.

    OK. I await the great onslaught of opinions.
  2. News Shooter

    News Shooter Member

    Sep 9, 2005
    Moonbat Central, MA
    I have a M1 Carbine in the corner

    Nothing wrong with a long gun at all if it works for you
  3. Ghengis Kahn

    Ghengis Kahn Member

    Apr 6, 2007
    umm...go to the local store and buy a used $80 12 gauge pump and a box of 000 Buck. Much more effective. Ask any LEO, a 12 guage is the most devastating gun out there as far as close quarters goes.
  4. 30 cal slob

    30 cal slob Member

    Mar 2, 2004
    Location, Location!
    for RI non-resident application tips, go to the message boards here:


    these folks will guide you through the intricacies of Rhody.

    Technically, RI is SHALL ISSUE for residents who want to be agressive about applying.

    For non-residents, RI is MAY-ISSUE - you must clearly fit the application criteria.

    Talk to the board mods over at CRALRI for help.

  5. Mannlicher

    Mannlicher Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    North Central Florida and Miami Florida
    again, with that.........

    I like an Bushmaster shorty myself.
  6. Evil Monkey

    Evil Monkey member

    Jun 26, 2006
    I use a Romanian AK47 with two 30rd mags taped together and 6 other mags as back up. It's the only firearm I have for now. :cool:

    For a REAL home defense long arm, I'd prefer a Saiga 12ga shotgun with some 5 or 8rd mags. That should suffice well.
  7. Pax Jordana

    Pax Jordana Member

    Jun 11, 2006
    Near Philadelphia.
    I just bought a mossberg Persuader for just that purpose - I carry a 9mm away from home because it's easy to hide.. but at home you can bring to bear any artillery that your own discretion advises :)

    Mine's the 20 inch barrel, 8-rd magazine (that's with 2.75in shells). It came with a buttstock, and a pistol grip. I'm keeping the pistol grip on it, because the only real disadvantage to a long arm is that it's long :rolleyes: :D

    Say what you want about rifles versus shotguns - nine .36 caliber lead balls for one pull of the trigger (and one target acquisition!) strikes me as perfectly sufficient.
  8. Aaryq

    Aaryq Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    Whoever voted for shotguns, +1. You don't want an AK-47 for HD unless it's your only gun or unless you live in a relatively secluded area (over penetration in an urban environment could have terrible consequences)...The shotgun with 000 or 00 buck is your best choice. If you are in love with a rifle, get some frangible rounds...I don't remember the name or manufacturer, but I saw them on the Discovery Channel (don't hit me THR). The jist of these rounds is that they penetrate like bullets on squishy bits but break up on impact of something not squishy. All that said...

    The VERY best weapons for home defense are a telephone, making sure your family is safe, and a weapon that you are famillair with. If you go out and buy an $80 or an $8000 shotgun and practice with it you might as well go out and get a fistfull of rocks.

    Anwho, the short answer to your question: Practice HD ranges (and if your range allows it circumstances) with your .22. Go out, get yourself a shotgun, and do the same thing with that.

    Most of all, be safe.
  9. Run&Shoot

    Run&Shoot Member

    Dec 27, 2005
    Nothing wrong with a longarm in the situation you describe. Lots of options that even the most restrictive states allow. I would want something a bit larger caliber than .22 though.

    Pump or semi-auto shotgun, lever gun in .30-30 or a revolver caliber, pistol caliber carbines, SKS, Garand, Mini-14, M1 carbine, etc.
  10. ArfinGreebly

    ArfinGreebly Moderator Emeritus

    Oct 10, 2006
    North Idaho
    A Carbine Is Fine

    Actually, as Tom Gresham has pointed out on Self Defense TV, an increasing number of experts have begun to come out in favor of the carbine as a home defense weapon.

    I have a variety of carbines suitable for this chore.

    I'm most comfortable with the M1 Carbine (light, well balanced, handles and shoulders easily, shoots an effective round), but the Beretta (CX4) and Marlin Camp 9 are also easy for me to hit with.

    Once I've had some practice, I might prefer the Marlin 1894C. Won't know til I've killed several jugs with it.

    You mention the Ruger 10/22.

    I have that one as well. If it's all you have available, then that's what you have. If you can hit your target with it, I'm pretty sure an intruder isn't going to stick around and debate "what cartridge for home invasion" with you.


    Depending on your budget, there is something you can do to improve hitting power. It's no beauty queen, but it will get the job done.

    Hi Point makes a lightweight carbine in 9mm (the 995) and .40 S&W (the 4095). They are decidedly ugly. In fact, there's an outfit (ATI -- www.atigunstocks.com) that makes a replacement stock that's much nicer.

    They are also decidedly cheap, reliable, and accurate.

    The good news: for between $180 and $260 (depending on laser kit) you can get a light, quick-handling carbine that shoots the least expensive centerfire ammo out there. If power means more, than there's the .40 cal version.

    (Frankly, I would SO not want to be on the muzzle end of a Hi-Point carbine.)

    Either way, you're getting the job done without breaking the bank, and you're using cartridges proven in self defense.
  11. Zeke Menuar

    Zeke Menuar Member

    Jun 24, 2003
    Oregon Monsoon Central
    On the Wife's side of the bed, a XD45 Tactical and a Western field 550A(mossy 500). The shotgun is a 5+1 18.5 inch model.

    My side of the bed, XD45 Service and AR-15 with flashlight and iron sights.

    We like options.

  12. Plink

    Plink Member

    Apr 5, 2006
    I certainly won't chastise you for choosing a long arm for defense. They're generally easier to shoot with then a handgun and can be more effective because of caliber choices. I would take exception with your choice of cartridges though.

    Rimfires by their very nature aren't the most reliable of cartridges. A .22 allows for fast repeat shots, but in the time it takes to make enough repeat shots to down an intruder, said intruder has time to return fire also. Perhaps something in a more substantial caliber? There are a lot of inexpensive pistol caliber carbines out there that won't blow out your eardrums should you need to fire them indoors. They'll outperform the .22.

    Last but not least, Stingers are probably the worst load you could choose for self defense. I know it's easy to get sold on paper numbers where bigger is better, but Stingers are made to be most effective in rather small critters and lack penetration. For larger critters, more penetration is a good thing. I'd consider any of the high velocity hollowpoints and perhaps even the Velocitors if they work well in your gun. They seem to have a good blend of expansion and penetration. Remember, velocity is nothing in and of itself.
  13. DawgFvr

    DawgFvr Member

    Jan 16, 2006
    Olympia, WA
    I have a .45 ACP on my night stand, however, if I do not have to "react" to an immediate threat, I would always go for my shotgun. That tiny carbine SKS behind the door could fit the bill too...what with ten rounds of 7.62, a bayonet and darn if it doesn't make a mighty fine club too.
  14. TexasRifleman

    TexasRifleman Moderator Emeritus

    Feb 16, 2003
    Ft. Worth
    I am now using a PS90 with a light/laser combo.

    Was using a shorty AR but the FN works better for me.

    Many have made comments on the uncertainty of the 5.7x28 cartridge, similar to what you will hear on your choice of .22

    Arguments either way will go on forever, but I have 2 favorites:

    1) First rule of a gunfight; bring a gun
    2) Beware the man with one gun, he probably knows how to use it.
  15. security6

    security6 Member

    Apr 19, 2007
    I agree that a longarm is a fine option, especially considering that most defensive gun uses do not involve pulling the trigger.

    You might want to consider an SKS instead of a 22 though. As others have pointed out, the 22 is rimfire which is less than reliable and the 22 is underpowered for self-defense. I picked up an unfired SKS last month for $170. It's a solid gun and 7.62x39 is a solid round.
  16. carpettbaggerr

    carpettbaggerr Member

    Nov 13, 2003
    If you're travelling to see her, the Kel-Tec Sub 2000 would be a good choice. You can transport it legally, folded in a briefcase, yet it can be ready to go in seconds.

    And they have different grips available so it can use the same magazine as many popular pistols. :)
    Last edited: May 1, 2007
  17. cwmcgu2

    cwmcgu2 Member

    Feb 27, 2007
    You don't have to use longarms for home defense, mine are actually kind of short and I am still able to reach my guns just fine :neener:
  18. innerwrath

    innerwrath Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    cwmcgu2.....good one,haha.
  19. Stachie

    Stachie Member

    Oct 23, 2006
    Many long guns work quite well for HD, but each has characteristics suited for certain situations. I prefer a 12ga pump loaded with buckshot; this covers most situations. However, if I were up against several well-armed tangos then I would reach for the carbine.
  20. Trebor

    Trebor Member

    Feb 15, 2003
    We use a M-1 Carbine. It's currently loaded with HP's, but I'll upgrade to the Cor Bon ammo as soon as I can get my hands on some and after I make sure it works in my gun. The carbine is the only rifle my wife shoots (except for .22's) and she shoots it much better than any pistol. That's why we picked it for HD.

    It's backed by a pair of pistols though.
  21. rkh

    rkh member

    Sep 28, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    +1 on the shotgun suggestion.

    Although I like the 10/22, save it for the squirrels. Mine has choked on me far too many times for me to seriously consider it as a defensive weapon.

    A new Remington 870 express HD runs around $310 here in CT. I think that would be money well spent.
  22. LAK

    LAK Member

    Jul 28, 2004
    I do not think a .22 rifle is a bad idea at all. Anyone who masters an autoloading .22 can about duplicate what a 12 gauge load of buckshot can do. Perhaps with greater effect; the solid .22 bullets have better sectional density than round pellets, penetrate deeper, and can be concentrated at the intersection of the nose and eyeline or center chest. In many or most situations a few shots might be all that are needed as they can be delivered with great speed and accuracy.

    Just make sure you 10/22 ammo combination are relaible enough in function and accuracy. I am sure Stingers will probably work in most situations - I prefer solids like the Remington Viper load.


  23. Patrick_Henry

    Patrick_Henry Member

    May 1, 2007
    I'd get a shotgun. I still think that for home defense nothing can take a shot gun, unless your being attacked by 47 bandits armed with machine guns, but then your in a lot of trouble anyway. Shotguns work really well though at close (indoor) ranges and have ample power for any situation I can think of. Pump shotguns can be acquired easily and are relatively cheap. If you are the only one shooting I'd say go for a 12guage, but if you want your fiance to be able to handle it you might want to let her shoot one before you go with a 12. A 20 that gets used is better than a 12 that doesn't. If after you have a shotgun you still feel nervous I'd do what several others have recommended and get a 7.62 by 29 like the SKS or MAK 90.
  24. obxned

    obxned Member

    Jan 28, 2007
    OBX, NC
    12g. with OO Buck!
  25. SapperLeader

    SapperLeader Member

    Mar 29, 2003
    If a .22 rifle is all you have, make it work for you. Its obviously not the first or best choice, but having a gun ready is better than none at all.

    That said, even for those on a extreme budget there is the New England firearms line of single shot shotguns. I have seen them as cheap as 40 dollars used, or 90 brand new. Couple of boxes of shells and a nef and your set. With practice I can fire the first three shots out of a nef as fast as I can with my 870(one in the gun, two ready in my fingers). After that I slow down considerably, but if your interested in a shotgun but cant swing a new or used pump gun Id look into this option.
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