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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Ro1911, Apr 20, 2014.

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  1. jim243

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    LOL, yes it is. If you are going to drop that kind of money on a rifle, and you are truly looking to shoot long range, spend some time on http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html. You may decide you want something else.

    Jim
     
  2. 1911 guy

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    As far as I know, the 700 action is the same across all models, except for short, long or magnum length. I haven't been involved in LR shooting for several years (a decade) so I may not be correct, but the models are determined by stock configuration and barrel profile, not any difference in action quality or type.

    While you are going to indeed want to drop it into a dedicated chassis, wait on it. If you're really just getting into the game, you'll gain more accuracy through practice and handloading than you'll be able to get by shooting factory ammo through a customized rifle. Find a load the rifle likes and it will likely be a year or more, depending on your practice regimen, before you'll benefit from any money spent to upgrade the rifle itself.

    Your Kimber rifle will do just fine. You don't need an identical scope on it, in fact it doesn't have to be scoped at all. Rimfire is where it's at for refining technique and form at far less cost than your centerfire. Dryfire is very important, too. Between dryfire, rimfire and centerfire, probably 20% of your shooting will be sending .30 caliber bullets downrange. As your form becomes more refined and ingrained into muscle memory, rimfire will become a little less important, but never obsolete, and dry firing will become more important.
     
  3. MtnCreek

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    If the goal is a solid stock or chassis to set the rifle in and adjustability to fit you, that can be had for less money IMHO. If that's what you want, then go for it, but the amount of spending is not required.

    May want to take a second look at the smaller calibers like 6.5mm or even 6mm.

    Good luck, have fun.
     
  4. jerkface11

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    My ballistic calculator puts 30-06 subsonic at around 1100 yards.
     
  5. HOOfan_1

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    Using Hornady's Ballistic calculator
    Hogdon's load data with average max velocity at 2753fps
    Sierra 175gr. Matching with B.C. of .505

    shows it going subsonic at around 1270 yards. Assuming speed of sound at 742 mph/1088 fps
     
  6. Ro1911

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    @mtncreek

    The eberlestock is just a I want neato thing to me, I know the capabilities can be had for less, you can have a faster car then a Ferrari for less but it's still not a Ferrari. The fact that it's the most compact system I've ever seen appeals to me and it's a sexy stock, the stock is what peaked my interest in the first place.

    I figure I'll have the m40 Macmillan stock that it comes with as a back up stock once I save up the $$$ for the eberlestock, until then I can enjoy the rifle as is.
     
  7. Ar180shooter

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    Completely agree. I just bought a Stevens 200 in .308 and a match grade .260 Remington barrel to go on it. Throwing it in a Boyds stock (will be properly bedded first) with Timney trigger. Should be a very accurate long range build for about $1k.
     
  8. jerkface11

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    Odd my calculator is showing the sound barrier as 1120fps.

    ETA The speed of sound is 1125fps not 1088
     
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  9. Ar180shooter

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    Don't forget, the speed of sound changes depending on altitude and temperature. The number you quoted is for 0deg Celsius at sea level.
     
  10. HOOfan_1

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    It varies based on atmospheric conditions
     
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  11. jerkface11

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    Because using a random elevation and temp would be more logical?
     
  12. MtnCreek

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    I can understand that. I would be hard pressed to justify most of my toys. :)

    Is it still the sound barrier or did Chuck Yeager prove otherwise? :)
     
  13. HOOfan_1

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    Actually...the speed of sound is around 742 mph at 0 C/32 F degrees at Sea Level.

    761 mphs is at 59 F degrees according to the NOAA calculator...but according to wikipedia...68 F...which is room temperature.

    Going back to the Hornady Calculator and the same info I plugged in above

    It drops from 1132 fps to 1115 fps between 1200 and 1225 yards
     
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  14. USSR

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    Ro1911,

    Based on the exterior ballistics program I used for my .30-06 load (190SMK at 2900fps), going transonic occurs at about 1400 yards. Once you get your rifle, PM me if you want the load data I use.

    Don
     
  15. strambo

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    My 300 WM load is a 190g Berger @ 3050 fps in a 26" barrel, so you can see how the .30-06 can get really close with a lot less powder, longer barrel life, and a shorter action.
     
  16. Ro1911

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    Will do, I was leaning towards the 300 win mag when I asked the question, thanks for the info on the potential of the 3006, I didn't realize how close they could be, cost and barrel wear make this a no brainier now. Thanks
     
  17. USSR

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    What powder did you use?

    Don
     
  18. algebraman

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    Just for additional weight on the scale: the powers that be shrunk the long range targets after the 308 became popular. The 30-06's got crowded out. Personally, though, I still use the 06 for long range ( have given up on being a super shooter ) and prefer my 6.5's for most overall shooting. The garand is a fun gun though.
     
  19. USSR

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    Yeah, I know all about the "shrinking targets". Around 2006 they shrunk the 1,000 yard F Class "X" ring from 10" to 5". Scores dropped precipitously.

    Don
     
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    Same powder I use. With 60.7gr of RL-22 inn either Lapua or M72 Match brass with a Fed 210M primer, I get 2900fps out of my 26" Krieger barrel. When I use Norma brass, which is much lighter and has a greater case capacity, I have to use 61.3gr of RL-22 to reach the same velocity. If you have a factory barrel, it could be the difference between that and a custom barrel. With a load using a 178gr Amax bullet and N160 powder, I get 2950fps out of the Krieger barrel, while my Winchester Model 70 Target Rifle with it's 26" factory barrel only generates 2875fps with the very same load.

    Don
     
  21. Mohave-Tec

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    Getting out past 8 or 900 yards starts to be real art and real science, right about where the rifle stops being something you carry on a sling or use for deer hunting every season. The price of a Remington 700 or store bought ammo for it, regardless of caliber, is only a minor consideration. And if you are not immediately dedicated to the sport, the rifle will only become an expensive mantle piece that will see very little other action.
    If you just want to shoot humans out at the end of the drive on grandpas farm them buy a 30 06 and put a $300 Leupold 3x9 scope on it. If you want to be a crack shot long distance marksman, keep asking questions and wait 3 more years before making any lasting decisions or investments..
     
  22. Ro1911

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    Whatever, I already said this was going to be a new toy to have cool stock put on so why do you care?
     
  23. MtnCreek

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    Three years wasted. Buy a quality rifle and scope and move forward.
     
  24. HOOfan_1

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    Three years that could have been used practicing and getting familiar with your rifle
     
  25. Ro1911

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    Three years wasted. Buy a quality rifle and scope and move forward.
    Three years that could have been used practicing and getting familiar with your rifle
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    I had about a page long rant typed out saying this, thanks for summing it better then I could lol.
     
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