Long Range double stack 1911

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Forget it.

Put that effort into a top quality
1911 in 9mm (9X19) or .45ACP
from Wilson or other excellent
gun producers.

If you've already done so with
a top quality "normal" 1911, then
become super proficient with it.

Handguns are simply not long range
firearms.
 
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brutus51 said:
Not sure I'm correct about this but I think double stack's are called 2011's.
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2011 = STI

Kind of... rebranding to staccato they removed 2011 from the frames and placed a flag in its place..


But it's in common enough usage like "truck", for example, that we don't need to know what brand to know what your talking about.

Dozens of manufactures produce them from 10000 down to less than 1000


And OP. Go for it.. we only have one go round on this rock.
 
brutus51 said:
Not sure I'm correct about this but I think double stack's are called 2011's.
I'd skip the 9x25 and just go with the 38Super. Mine delivers 1400fps out of a 5" 1911 and they are tack drivers.
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9x25 Dillon info shows 1700 for 125 gr and 1500 for 147 gr. I already have a STI in 38Super . I’m a big fan of 38Super . It’s a “2011” . 2011 is just a name . A catch phrase somebody came up with for sales . Nothing against STI .Para and Caspian were making double stacks for many years before the 2011 moniker came along .
 
tarosean said:
2011 = STI

Kind of... rebranding to staccato they removed 2011 from the frames and placed a flag in its place..


But it's in common enough usage like "truck", for example, that we don't need to know what brand to know what your talking about.

Dozens of manufactures produce them from 10000 down to less than 1000


And OP. Go for it.. we only have one go round on this rock.
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I agree completely . Just thinking about stepping gun projects up a notch or 2 . It’s time .
 
UncleEd said:
Handguns are simply not long range
firearms.
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I respectfully disagree. Mechanically I believe the accurate ones, are plenty accurate to get the most out of balistic performance of the cartridges they are chambered for.

Some are also surprisingly easy to shoot.
Im not much of a handgun shooter, but from a rest breaking clay pigeons at 100yds with my buddies scoped SBH is literally as easy as breaking the trigger smoothly. I havent gotten to take my SBH out past 100yds, but even with open sights clanging a 8" gong at 100 is easy.
I have a 6" RIA 10mm that i shoot about as well as my SBH.

Id really like to see someone whos a good shot wring that pistol out, as im pretty sure im leaving performance on the table.

My 10" browning buckmark will also out shoot most of the .22 rifles ive owned.

Then there are the handrifles, which are as mechanically accurate as their larger shoulder fired brethren.

Whether the shooter is willing to put in the time energy and money to master delivering bullets at distance with a handgun is another story, same as putting a cluster of shots in the A zone at high speed.
 
Sounds interesting and a worthwhile goal-oriented project.

Is the 9x25 significantly enough better than the 9x23 to make dealing with the bottleneck worth it?

I dig my 9x23 so much that I always have a double-stack project on the back burner. Got a hankering for a suppressed, high velocity stacker with a short and juuuuuust barely worthwhile suppressor for a woods gun.

Todd.
 
LoonWulf said:
I respectfully disagree. Mechanically I believe the accurate ones, are plenty accurate to get the most out of balistic performance of the cartridges they are chambered for.

Some are also surprisingly easy to shoot.
Im not much of a handgun shooter, but from a rest breaking clay pigeons at 100yds with my buddies scoped SBH is literally as easy as breaking the trigger smoothly. I havent gotten to take my SBH out past 100yds, but even with open sights clanging a 8" gong at 100 is easy.
I have a 6" RIA 10mm that i shoot about as well as my SBH.

Id really like to see someone whos a good shot wring that pistol out, as im pretty sure im leaving performance on the table.

My 10" browning buckmark will also out shoot most of the .22 rifles ive owned.

Then there are the handrifles, which are as mechanically accurate as their larger shoulder fired brethren.

Whether the shooter is willing to put in the time energy and money to master delivering bullets at distance with a handgun is another story, same as putting a cluster of shots in the A zone at high speed.
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I have a scoped SBH and hitting clay pigeons at 100 yards is fairly easy if you do your part . ADE1D8B6-062D-4D9D-9357-C424E3CF1924.jpeg I have a RIA long slide 10mm also .
 
ApacheCoTodd said:
Sounds interesting and a worthwhile goal-oriented project.

Is the 9x25 significantly enough better than the 9x23 to make dealing with the bottleneck worth it?

I dig my 9x23 so much that I always have a double-stack project on the back burner. Got a hankering for a suppressed, high velocity stacker with a short and juuuuuust barely worthwhile suppressor for a woods gun.

Todd.
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Looks like about 200fps faster in most bullet weights . Please post a picture when the hankering happens , sounds interesting.
 
a2x4bbl said:
Contemplating the next project . I’m thinking 1911 , scoped , compensated , double stack , chambered in 9x25 Dillon to shoot those 147 gr. boat tail bullets at longer ranges. Thoughts and opinions? Should be interesting at least .
Edit : Long range for an auto loader .
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I hope you're a rich man, or in my case always 1k away from having more money than brains. =D

The doublestack part might be hard to get without going full on custom, (nighthawk offers it) if you were happy with a single stack theres a plethora or 1911s on the market that could be converted to 9x25 with a barrel change and matching bushing.

Add a frame mounted rail and get weird. I just recently received my accuracy x that was built with long range shooting in mind, I'm still waiting on scope rings and me Leopuld scope to come in the mail but first impressions are fantastic. I topped it off with a moab base giving me an extra 150moa of drop compensation, so theoretically with a 200 yard zero and 200gr bullets traveling @1k (iirc mind you I havnt ran the simulator in a minute) I should be able to get out past 600 yards. With just a burris 2-7 scope I was able to tag 12x18 steel plates with relative ease at 250 with factory ammo (still trying to source components for reloads) shooting a ton of 22s long range out of my volquartsen scorpion and contender sure helped my wind calls.

UncleEd said:
Forget it.

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Handguns are simply not long range
firearms.
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They can be. Its hilarious upsetting ar bros at the firing line, tagging steel further than them with a pistol.
 

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To clarify my comment about handguns not
being long range firearms, I guess what
constitutes long range can vary.

A major sport is silhouette rifle and pistol
shooting; targets may be as much as 200
meters distant. And support for firearms is
very limited, much of it being in the
so-called off-hand way of holding a gun.
Rifle and pistol rests are not allowed.

Now, of course, there's always Jerry Miculek.
Amuse yourselves by Googling his 1,000
yard shots with handguns.

The Colt SAA was zeroed for the 1870s
cavalry for 60 yards.

And I believe Wyatt Earp himself said a
handgunner with a Colt SAA can always
worry an opponent out to 600 yards. If
he didn't say it, he should have.

But handguns are still really short range
firearms.
 
Am not familiar with the 9X25 Dillon but someone mentioned 1500 and 1700 fps out of a handgun are impressive velocities. I am familiar with 1911's but .45 ACP only and at 800 to 900 fps with 230 grain bullets I hit my targets at a 100 yards consistently. My coffee does get cold by the time the bullet gets there, but it does. I am going to have to read up on the 9X25 Dillon. Please keep us posted.
 
ms6852 said:
Am not familiar with the 9X25 Dillon but someone mentioned 1500 and 1700 fps out of a handgun are impressive velocities. I am familiar with 1911's but .45 ACP onlzy and at 800 to 900 fps with 230 grain bullets I hit my targets at a 100 yards consistently. My coffee does get cold by the time the bullet gets there, but it does. I am going to have to read up on the 9X25 Dillon. Please keep us posted.
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It's a 10mm necked down to 9mm. I met the man behind the cartridge at the dillon plant / storefront a few years ago who still worked there.

Iirc it was kind of popular in the 80s - early 90s in certain pistol disciplines that required a higher power factor (cannot recall the discipline or power factor level that lead to it)

Very cool round, I would love to see it make a comeback. But I'd also love 224boz to be popular (10mm or 9mm necked down to .224) but I dont ever see that happening.
 
Trashyshoots said:
I hope you're a rich man, or in my case always 1k away from having more money than brains. =D

The doublestack part might be hard to get without going full on custom, (nighthawk offers it) if you were happy with a single stack theres a plethora or 1911s on the market that could be converted to 9x25 with a barrel change and matching bushing.

Add a frame mounted rail and get weird. I just recently received my accuracy x that was built with long range shooting in mind, I'm still waiting on scope rings and me Leopuld scope to come in the mail but first impressions are fantastic. I topped it off with a moab base giving me an extra 150moa of drop compensation, so theoretically with a 200 yard zero and 200gr bullets traveling @1k (iirc mind you I havnt ran the simulator in a minute) I should be able to get out past 600 yards. With just a burris 2-7 scope I was able to tag 12x18 steel plates with relative ease at 250 with factory ammo (still trying to source components for reloads) shooting a ton of 22s long range out of my volquartsen scorpion and contender sure helped my wind calls.



They can be. Its hilarious upsetting ar bros at the firing line, tagging steel further than them with a pistol.
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No I’m not rich . Single stack anything has always felt weird in my hand . I would make a scope mount .This is contemplation stage . Right now I have a Steyr project to finish .
 
OP, you might dig this. The red dot is going to be on a 45 degree pic rail, but for this photo the scope was dialed for 225 yards and the dot at a "short" range of 75 yards.
 

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