Long Range double stack 1911

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by a2x4bbl, May 2, 2021.

  1. The Glockodile

    The Glockodile Member

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    You won’t be disappointed, then.

    Forming the brass from 10mm stock is a one - pass affair...

    ...just like resizing a fired case.

    They used to “tune” compensators for this cartridge, exploiting the blast to keep the sights level.

    Sounds like you have the tools to build your own! :thumbsup:

    Best resource for this is a thread on GlockTalk, by someone who goes by “The_Shadow” (?) - memory’s not what it used to be.
     
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  2. Trashyshoots

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    I'm sure it was ment more as a tongue in cheek saying.

    However I have truly booty blasted some ar bros at my local trash heap. Some people's egos are quite fragile.
     
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  3. gnappi

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    Hi all, I'm late to the chat but A24xbbl mentioned a BT bullet, which one? The back end isn't as important as the front end. The one I knew of from Hornady had a pretty long nose, I would not think it will work in a 9x25.

    Anyway...bullets that:

    A.) Are too long (up front) to make the LOA won't fit into the mag with more than one round
    B.) Cannot not be so long that you can't eject a loaded round.
    C.) It's hard to find a bullet with a nose taper that will give you a solid crimp. Round noses work best to meet A and B.

    I've been forming and loading the 9x25 only a few weeks and while the case prep from 10mm is relatively straightforward (IF you can find Dillon dies, else use .357 Sig and 9mm dies and fire form, or a combination of all three) but finding suitable bullets may not be easy. Also once the shoulder is set slower powders may be compressed with larger bullets and round nose 9mm bullets are not really conducive to L-O-N-G range unless you're talking 100 yards? Then as was said even a 9mm or super can do well at 100 yards and IMO a 10mm shouldn't be overlooked either.

    My "build" is a 6" barrel, mostly because I have a few single stack 10mm long slide 1911's handy but also I read from those who have chronographed many loads that the 6" barrel is a good fit for the 9x25. My next 9x25 project will be on a RIA wide body frame with a 5" barrel, because I like lighting up the range :)

    Below is the Hornady BT I'm pretty sure will give crimp issues and a Lee mold that will work. Note, not to scale with each other.

    hornady_9mm_bt_Lee_1r.jpg
     
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  4. el Godfather

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    I have Dan Wesson Havoc that's double stacked but in 9mm and instead of scope it has a red dot. Super accurate.

    So it will be fun project. Not too sure about 9mm-D due to availability down the road etc. I tend to stick with the routine calibers but since its not edc 38super and 460 Rowland should be considered.
     
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  5. barnetmill

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    Exactly where were the exceptions.
    Below is your post that I referenced:

    '' Forget it.

    Put that effort into a top quality
    1911 in 9mm (9X19) or .45ACP
    from Wilson or other excellent
    gun producers.

    If you've already done so with
    a top quality "normal" 1911, then
    become super proficient with it.

    Handguns are simply not long range
    firearms.""
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  6. a2x4bbl

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  7. a2x4bbl

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    I have a STI in 38 super and considered 460 Rowland but really wanted to go the bottle neck case route . Strangely enough Bar Sto recommended the 10mm instead , but I have 2 already . But he did say he would make the barrel in 9x25 . 82A82FDB-C9FA-4D73-AB73-E613E1EB43A8.jpeg
     
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  8. a2x4bbl

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    That Hornady bullet , would probably go xtp , but if it didn’t shoot well no problem to go flat base .
     
  9. gnappi

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    Here's a couple of posts I made on other sites. The first is before I pulled the handle once with comments from others, the second after forming several hundred cases and load development. Others may have wound up with different or better solutions for them but the latter post works well for me.

    https://www.10mm-firearms.com/reloading/forming-9x25-dillon/

    https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?434599-9x25-Dillon-forming-reloading-shooting
     
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  10. PapaG

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    Depends on your definition of long range. Lots of us regularly shoot pretty good scores and groups at 100 yards and more with some pretty pedestrian revolvers. My Super Blackhawk can stay in 5", my 29-2 six. Contender 357, 3-4". Generalizations can backfire (oops, bad word choice). I had a Gold Cup that could ring the 12" gong pretty steadily.
     
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  11. UncleEd

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    See Post #17
     
  12. UncleEd

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    Of course it can be done especially at
    100 yards or so but the calculations
    in bullet drop and necessary rezeroing
    beyond 50 yards put serious practical
    limitations on just about any handgun.

    And bullet energy tends to seriously
    drop off as well, again limiting a
    handgun's practical uses.

    Sure, you an take a .30 Herrett in
    a Thompson Contender but that's
    really making an exception to
    handgun definitions.
     
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  13. PapaG

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    I was sticking with the OP's position. He said nothing about energy (hunting), distance (other than "long range"). You are the one putting conditions on it.
    Probably 90% of my handgun shooting has been at distances of fifty yards or less but my buds and I have had a lot of fun " walking in" big slugs onto five gallon buckets and antifreeze cans out to two and even three hundred yards. Need a dusty field and good rest, however.
    You play your game and I'll play mine. (unless it is with my scoped Contender, fifty, sixty yards is my limit on deer). Inanimates, anything goes.
     
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  14. el Godfather

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    Great pieces.

    With bottle neck problem is the VERY limited caliber offerings x25 357sig 7.62Tok and good old 7.63
     
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  15. gnappi

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    Yup, in autos calibers are limited, but that's not bad if most everything you'd want to do with an auto you covered. If you want a bigger hole and add the .400 cor-bon.
     
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