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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Walkalong, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. taliv

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    That’s awesome! I was pretty sure you’d be addicted after the first match. We will see though....

    Btw the one stage you couldn’t remember the name of is the prs skills barricade. Normally 2 shots from each position. 8 total. At a 10” target at 400 yards. I forget the time.
    It was meaningful years ago before the game changer when the lower two spots were essentially supported kneeling and the top two were supported standing. These days all 4 are game changer benchrest lol
     
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  2. South Prairie Jim

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    What town are you closest to in Montana ?
     
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    That’s outstanding! Great write up, too. Thanks for sharing!
     
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  4. Walkalong

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    Oh yea, Sam too.
     
  5. Nature Boy

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    That’s why I’m afraid to try it.

    Realistically, my work demands need to settle down for me to have time to do anything
     
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    Sell him that Seekins! :D

    As others have said, great write up/photos and well done. That looks like an awesome range and setup. I love it up here in NW Montana but do wish that we had more of an organized shooting scene with similar matches. When I lived in Hawaii I was able to shoot F-Class and USPSA at least twice a month and sometimes three to four times a month.
     
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  8. South Prairie Jim

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    Very cool
    I have a cabin in Libby
     
  9. Varminterror

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    Precision Rifle Competition is dangerous - it hits a lot of high notes for a broad section of shooters. I’ve competed in a lot of different shooting sports at various times of my life, but PR has really been the most addictive of any I have tried. It’s high round count, so folks feel like they get their money’s worth, but not so high guys feel like they’re just doing mag dumps. It’s dynamic so shooters never get bored and get to shoot intermittently several times throughout the day. It’s varied enough to let everyone have a “strength” and limit the mental drain of their highlighted weaknesses. It’s not quite the arms race of many shooting sports - the extreme expectations in precision games like benchrest/F-Class/Bullseye mean we’ll dump a ton of money into diminished returns, while 3 gun, Cowboy Action, and other diverse multigun sports require expensive tuning to multiple firearms - precision rifle games just require one bolt action rifle that feeds well from a 10-14rnd DBM and can shoot sub-MOA. It’s diverse in nature, long enough to disadvantage the fast shooters, but fast enough to disadvantage the precision guys, and vice versa (at least in the minds of new guys).

    In a semi-derogatory tone, it’s basically the CrossFit of shooting sports. But credit where it’s due, both CrossFit and Precision Rifle Games have exceptionally high market appeal for their unique combination of expectations.
     
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  10. Walkalong

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    I already sent him home with it, I haven't told him, but it is his if he wants it as far as I am concerned. I told my wife that if I get hit by a beer truck to tell Sam to keep it.
     
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  11. Walkalong

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    They have everything up on Practiscore now.

    I had 43 hits, a 47.25% hit rate, and a time of 82.73 in the skills stage. Four people had 43 hits, but I had the 2nd fastest time of the four, so that bumped me up a couple of spots. I was 73rd out of 103. Not quite the top 50% I was looking for, but respectable, and I had a ton of fun and learned a lot. I shot one clean stage, so that was cool. :)

    If I could just throw out the 9 miss "Mover" stage. :D

    I had three stages with only 2 hits, two of which were the stages where I had my mental errors that kept me from getting shots off. 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 minutes goes real fast when you are screwing up.

    On one stage I forgot to dial after changing distances and it cost me a missed shot and then a few "Duh" seconds before I realized I had not dialed to the new yardage, but that didn't cost me too bad, maybe one more hit, maybe two.

    I left a lot of points out there by being too slow and missing opportunities. My actual hit to miss ratio was good, but it doesn't look like it with all the missed points I wasn't able to shoot at from time being called.

    Gotta work on being faster, but I knew going in the time limit would be a challenge.
     
  12. ohihunter2014

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    Very cool Walkalong. I’d be very afraid taking that dasher anywhere near those rocks though. If I scratched a gun like that I would cry for 6months lol.
     
  13. South Prairie Jim

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    From your reporting back I’ve got a feel for the sport, thank you I’ve learned quite a bit.
    My gig is slightly different but as far as improving I’m aware of my ceiling or have a grasp on just how small myself and rifle are capable of shooting therefore I concentrate on raising the basement.
    I was told by a world record holder that ya don’t always have to shoot great groups to win ya just can’t shoot any bad ones. ( still working on that) lol
    Thx again for your post
    Jim
     
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  14. Walkalong

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    In Benchrest that is very true, you just have to avoid the bad ones. Gotta limit/eliminate big mistakes. And then it comes down to who could limit the small mistakes.
     
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  15. South Prairie Jim

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    I went to a 1 k IBS Match in June location was Missoula MT. 26 Excellent shooters , in Light Gun I sucked 22 nd maybe but in the Heavy Gun I did much better’ 13th iirc
    Man did I learn a ton that day!
    I think I got lucky to finish were I did.
    J
     
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  16. Varminterror

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    At the beginning of last season, another shooter turned me onto a Jim See practice methodology - the 11 second drill. In a nutshell, there shouldn’t be more than 11 seconds from a starting beep to your first shot, so the drill is really about building stable shooting positions quickly and efficiently, them trusting your reticle when it’s on target. I put together a handful of practice obstacles in my basement and focused my dry fire practice on <11sec, building stable positions quickly. Including practicing how to hold the bag in different ways to be able to drop it into different obstacles with the rifle and rock on, instead of fighting the bag. Huge difference for my scores - especially at 2 day events when stages are only 90 sec.
     
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  17. taliv

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    i always practiced getting two shots off in 10 sec.
     
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  18. Walkalong

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    Once set up, we did that a couple of times, but overall were too slow transitioning between positions within a stage and just finding targets in the scope sometimes. Some of that was having so much on the brain, some of which will start to come naturally after awhile, as well as learning what to focus on as we learn to do some of it automatically without having to think so much.
     
  19. Walkalong

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    I read an article yesterday that made five points to learn, I don't remember them exactly but two of them were.... just do it, sign up and then go, and another was.... bring what you have.

    The first point was made here early on and prompted me to stop thinking about it and sign up.

    In a PM I was concerned about equipment (scope) and was basically told, you're fine, take what you have.

    There was a fellow at the match with a souped up Rem 700 running two little mags, then single feeding to get to ten and he was wearing it out. He had a place at home to practice, and he had been.

    You don't have to have fancy or expensive equipment to go have fun and get hits. :)
     
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  20. South Prairie Jim

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    I’m kinda wondering how strenuous was this course of fire?
    Being an old fart I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t make it through the stages
     
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  21. taliv

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    now that you've been to a match, we should prob resurrect some of the old practice barricade threads which never got any views lol

    Reposting two of my favs here that i use in my backyard. again, i like to number the ports, and use old dungeons and dragons dice to randomly pick two ports, then give myself 10 sec to go from standing, mag in, bolt open, to dry firing two shots from first port and 10 more sec for 2 shots on second port. I use the multi par time feature on my shot timer to set a beep at 10, 20, 30 and 40 seconds. that lets me do 4 ports in a row if i want.


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  22. Walkalong

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    It wasn't bad at all. I am 62 and in good shape for my age. My right calf is a bit sore today, but that's it. We went from around 8AM until 3/3:30PM.
     
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  23. South Prairie Jim

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    I’ll need the Bunny course ;)
     
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  24. Varminterror

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    @South Prairie Jim - at the PRS and NRL matches (and club matches) I have shot, all shooters will shoot according to their ability. I’ve been on squad with a guy with one hand, such he can’t shoot with his off-hand. Shot with another guy who was blind in his left eye, such he couldn’t shoot with his off eye. Another shooter on our state club (cancer and 2x stroke survivor, replaced knee, rather portly, and near-elderly at that - but an absolutely fantastic guy and good shooter) can’t get up on a rooftop very quickly, so he’ll time out. It’s up to the RO to decide (and often validated with the squad) whether accommodations can be made to the CoF - for example, letting a one eyed shooter forego off-shoulder requirements, or extending a time limit on a stage which requires a 12yr old, 70lb boy to move a 20lb rifle between 10 positions... I don’t know if I have ever shot a match in which some physical accommodation wasn’t made for at least one shooter.

    In general, we all want guys to come out and shoot. The stages aren’t terribly strenuous, if you can bend to one knee, and get in and out of prone, you’re physically capable of completing every match I’ve shot.
     
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  25. Nature Boy

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    I assume you are dry firing these?
     
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