Long Range Rifle/Scope/PRS question(s)
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Varminterror
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The forward grip for free recoil isn’t a solution for every barricade, but for many, many obstacles, it works exceptionally well. Putting your “steering” out in front of the fulcrum does a better job of catching recoil and keeping the muzzle down and on target instead of putting the steering pressure down on top of the scope, pinching the fulcrum. But there’s less to hold onto out front, and getting your arm around an obstacle to get your hand down to hold the forend like a 3 Gun “costa clamp” doesn’t always work. So the clutch gives a better connection between the hand and stock.
Looking at the steering “support hand:
This:
Instead of this:
But in many cases, the steering hand over the top still offers the best stability, so I don’t over commit to the clutch grip. For example: I’ve tried for 2 years now to get comfortable on the tip of tank traps with the Clutch/handstop, and I simply can’t get there. I’m much more stable with my hand on top of the scope. I eat a little more muzzle jump in recoil, but I have more impacts on target. But over wider fulcrums like railroad ties, barrels, or tires, or the center of tank traps, the Clutch/handstop grip has the clear advantage for me.
Looking at the steering “support hand:
This:
Instead of this:
But in many cases, the steering hand over the top still offers the best stability, so I don’t over commit to the clutch grip. For example: I’ve tried for 2 years now to get comfortable on the tip of tank traps with the Clutch/handstop, and I simply can’t get there. I’m much more stable with my hand on top of the scope. I eat a little more muzzle jump in recoil, but I have more impacts on target. But over wider fulcrums like railroad ties, barrels, or tires, or the center of tank traps, the Clutch/handstop grip has the clear advantage for me.
I have a Gray Ops "thumb rest" that I do that with on the Matrix. it worked well on the Kestrel stage where there was about an inch of surface for the bag.
My last big ticket item is going to be binoculars, in particular, the Meopta Meostar B1 Plus 15X56 binoculars. I'd love a pair of Swarovski SLC 15X56 binos, but just can't stomach the price. I have looked through the Meoptas (And many others) in a match and they are exceptional IMHO. The three binoculars at matches that have wowed me were the Tract 12.5Xs, the Meopta 15X, and the Swarovskis. The Bushnell Forge is very nice in the middle, but can't compare out to the edges. At the $600 (right now) asking price it was very tempting, and a great value IMHO. I saw stuff through it at a match that I couldn't see through a nice big name spotter. A couple of big name binos in the $800 & $1K range were unimpressive. It is really nice to be able to look through various optics at matches, almost everyone is more than willing to let you try their optics out.
@taliv was right those many pages ago when he posted that the PRS crowd in general is a great group.
@taliv was right those many pages ago when he posted that the PRS crowd in general is a great group.
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Famous last words
Jeff has the Diamondback 15X binos, and they are very nice in no mirage (Blow my nice 40 year old Nikon 7-15 binoculars away), but they start to struggle in the heat. At the last match there were stages at distance with a little mirage where we simply could not see impacts.
I have looked through the Vortex Kaibab HD 18X binoculars and was unimpressed.
I came close to ordering the Tract 12.5X binoculars. Very impressive glass, half the price of the Meopta 15X
I have looked through the Vortex Kaibab HD 18X binoculars and was unimpressed.
I came close to ordering the Tract 12.5X binoculars. Very impressive glass, half the price of the Meopta 15X
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A doctor friend of my had a pair of those that also recorded high quality video. His daughter and my daughter were into equine sports and he used them to video her.
I looked through them. They were fantastic. I asked him how much they cost and he was too embarrassed to tell me.
The Manners came set up for an Area 419 Arca rail, and it fits perfectly. If I wanted to I could use their 14" rail, but it would hang out front of the stock. This is the 12" version. I had to shorten the front screw just a little, but the others were fine. Metric thread 5x.8
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Good choice of pics
After cleaning with Tactical Advantage along with their Carb Out.
They say this about Carb Out:
After soaking and cleaning with a bronze brush, TA, CO, & patches, along with a finish up with JB on patches.
Not there yet, but certainly better.
They say this about Carb Out:
As with all advertising that says this about baked on carbon in rifle barrels it is unadulterated BS, but I say that in the in the kindest way, I never expected it to actually do that, just help out.
After soaking and cleaning with a bronze brush, TA, CO, & patches, along with a finish up with JB on patches.
Not there yet, but certainly better.
More cleaning with TA & CO on patches, them JB on patches, then TA on patches, then dry patches.
Not squeaky clean, but close, and certainly good enough.
I'll get to the range after work next week, foul the bore, then get some numbers in the heat.
Yep, summertime got here the other day, we've been in the low 90s.
Not squeaky clean, but close, and certainly good enough.
I'll get to the range after work next week, foul the bore, then get some numbers in the heat.
Yep, summertime got here the other day, we've been in the low 90s.
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Hold on, it’s “tactical advantage”, there has to be some advantage?!?
Well, at least it’s tactical, right?
It's good stuff, I like it, along with Bore Tech's Eliminator, both do very well, have both, could be happy with either one. I had never tried TA because of the name, but it was highly recommended by a THR member, so I bought some, and I like it. Which one will I buy when it runs out? We'll see.
Most of the barrel looks very good, and the crown still looks great. I'm in the neighborhood of 1600/1700 rounds. I will do a better job of round count on the next barrel(s). The Dasher on order is another Bartlein cut rifled barrel. I want to try a proof. At their price range it will be interesting to see how they shoot and hold up in comparison.
Most of the barrel looks very good, and the crown still looks great. I'm in the neighborhood of 1600/1700 rounds. I will do a better job of round count on the next barrel(s). The Dasher on order is another Bartlein cut rifled barrel. I want to try a proof. At their price range it will be interesting to see how they shoot and hold up in comparison.
GoldieMI
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That’s what I’m running on my dasher
Proof 7.5:1 27” competition contour
cut to alpha brass
1.25” full barrel
Mostly .3-.4 5 shot groups at 100 yards
8” at 1000 yards
very happy with it 99% of the time.
22 lb rifle walking up the hills to our starting point - even feels like a M240 on the elevation
Proof 7.5:1 27” competition contour
cut to alpha brass
1.25” full barrel
Mostly .3-.4 5 shot groups at 100 yards
8” at 1000 yards
very happy with it 99% of the time.
22 lb rifle walking up the hills to our starting point - even feels like a M240 on the elevation
My barrel is M24 cut, as is the one ordered. The Proofs are “their “Competition” cut, which is thicker/heavier.
Jeff’s new Dasher has a Proof barrel, and it is shooting well, but he hasn’t really wrung it out. He’s not big on shooting groups.
Jeff’s new Dasher has a Proof barrel, and it is shooting well, but he hasn’t really wrung it out. He’s not big on shooting groups.
Are the cracks the result of excess heating and quick cooling which causes localized hardened steel and cracking which eventually flakes off? Throat erosion?
GoldieMI
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Yes sir...my barrel is ~ 1lb 3 oz. heavier than the same barrel in MTU cut- 7 lbs. 14 oz vs. 6 lbs 11 oz
