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Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Walkalong, Dec 21, 2018.

  1. Nature Boy

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    Its the time for me. You can acquire equipment but you can’t buy time
     
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    The older folks move a little slower, but one of the tops guys i shoot with is in his mid 70’s and is a great shot. He moves slow but deliberate and doesn’t get fancy, he also uses a few extra “pillow” like bags for support
     
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  3. z7

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    “Time” is why I didn’t fire a shot from Mid September to December, and why I will miss a PRS match on 5 January
     
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  4. Walkalong

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    Those are great videos.

    Why is everyone in such a hurry? Timed stage? Run out of time and how many hits is it? Speed part of the score? In Benchrest we had 7 minutes to shoot a group, slow, fast, didn't matter, although sometimes you wanted to go fast to take advantage of a favorable "condition", and sometimes you ran out of time waiting on your "condition" and have to finish up frantically.
     
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  5. Walkalong

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    I'll be 62 in February. In pretty good shape for my age. Whatever that does to my scores is what it is, but it won't stop me from trying.
     
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    Im having a good time reading this thread, looks like a blast.

    Go gettem Walkalong!
     
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  7. z7

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    Each stage/ course of fire has a time limit. Some are 120 seconds some are 90. 90 second multi positional stages are tough,

    Some positions I can quickly get into and be stable with my natural point of aim at the target, other times I am a wobbly mess so i SHOULD slow down, rebuild my shooting position and then shoot

    It doesn’t always work that way, that voice in the back of your head says “hurry” and I end up taking a “ chance” shot and I always miss
     
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    Like everything in life, it’s 95% mental :)
     
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  9. taliv

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    Those are good videos. Two years ago it was rare to see five shots in a row on the same target from same position. Usually two shots max. I always enjoy shooting multiple targets from the same position more than the same target from different positions. But from a match director POV it’s easier to hang one piece of steel than five. Usually the more “square” a range is the more you’ll shoot five positions at one target. That’s what I love about shooting out west where you can see 20 miles in every direction.
     
  10. Varminterror

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    There’s an older shooter who comes to almost all of our state club matches, I’ve been told he’s both a stroke AND cancer survivor. Retirement age, can’t see in one eye, new knees, bad back and hips, generally doesn’t get around so great...

    I don’t think I have ever seen him take last place in a match in the last 2 seasons of shooting with him.

    @taliv called it - it’s very reaffirming of faith in “gun people.” Gun shops and shows are usually a festering disaster of ego and misinformation, but I’ve also been dissatisfied by a lot of the attitudes and atmospheres in different types of shooting sports. The different, unfortunately real stereotypes you run into at bullseye, silhouette, cowboy action, 3 gun, and service rifle matches can be really disheartening. But at precision rifle matches, it’s a fantastic atmosphere. Maybe we’re young enough we don’t have the infiltration of bad eggs yet, but it’s really a solid group of guys, at every match.
     
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  11. redneck2

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    Does anybody ever just use a plain ‘ole rifle? Say an off the rack Savage or Remington? Grab grandpas deer whacker and go at it? I suppose you’d never finish at the top, but maybe at least not embarrass yourself

    I would think the guys that whack prairie dogs at 400-500 yards should do OK. When I went it was an eye opener.

    This is one of the best threads I’ve seen in a long time. Thanks everyone for the great info
     
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    We had a guy who would come shoot the local club matches with his .270 to stay sharp for elk/muley season. It wasn't exactly an off the rack rifle, I think it was a blueprinted 700 action with a nice barrel (think it was a Bartlein) in a mcmillan, but it was lighter weight and didn't have a DBM. Those 135gr SMKs do suffer in the wind, and the .270 kicks alot in a light rifle for that kind of shooting, but I'm sure he was a better field shooter for the practice.
     
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  13. taliv

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    Before the ruger precision came out almost all new shooters brought a rem700 or Winchester with blind 4-5 round magazine. That was super annoying because they’d have to unload and load in positions a lot.

    The rules at most places long before the prs were that you couldn’t move from one barricade to another with a loaded gun.
     
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    Does anyone ever use a cartridge cuff and load singly? In other accuracy games single shot followers and removed ejectors are somewhat common. I've pulled the ejectors from most of my target rifles and don't miss them ... but then I'm not competing on speed.
     
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    That is how I imagined it.
     
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    It was that way with the Benchrest crowd, great folks always willing to help, teach, lend you a rifle and ammo if yours crapped out during a group. I have no doubt this group will be the same way.
     
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    Benchrest rifle did not have them, we just eased the bolt back, pulled it out with our fingers and put it back in the loading tray or box. I made my own little box for my rounds I took to the bench. Basically a small loading block with a cover.
     
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    Not that I have seen, the name of the game is fast accuracy and precision, single loaded would be slow

    The accuracy requirement is not that great when compared to f class or benchrest, most targets are 2 Moa, with some bigger and some smaller, 1 Moa targets or even smaller happen, but are not the norm for every stage, so a rifle and ammo that can hold 1/2 minute groups is plenty accurate
     
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    Yep, with stages and time limits set up to put you under pressure with a well functioning box mag fed rifle, I'd think you'd get eaten up trying to single load.

    Smooth, reliable rifle function is a big deal. I've seen plenty of folks, especially with pieced together rigs drop lots of points when their rifles couldn't feed or eject reliably, sometimes with dust and dirt blown in, sometimes clean as a whistle.
     
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  21. Walkalong

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    Do you get penalized for misses, or do they just count hits in the allotted time?
     
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  23. Varminterror

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    There’s really not enough time to run a single shot. Even the guys running blind mag rifles, starting with 4-5 in the rifle can’t keep up.

    I do know a guy who runs a 7mm WSM in club matches from time to time, mags only hold 7, and he only has 1 mag. He feeds 2 from the stock quiver and one from his headband. It’s the funniest thing you’ve ever seen. He’s a very fast shooter, so he finishes, but it is tight, and he has to break position. He kills it when he brings his 6.5 will 10+ mags.

    Hits on the clock = points. Misses are dropped points. Dropping points is how matches are lost for the top guys. Them dropping points and me NOT dropping points is how guys like me get an earlier walk on the prize table.

    Sticky in competition forum?
     
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  24. taliv

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    F6A9EE18-B230-4FA3-B112-0A212C39F3DD.jpeg Here’s a gratuitous pic of my setup. The closer rifle is the dasher. Gonna swap the Harris bipod out with the cykepod when it gets here later this week. I may switch to a brake before matches start.
    The pack is the low drag. I keep my dope card on it. Pouches on the outside for kestrel and rangefinder. Spotter is leupold mk4 compact with badger nv mount. Bag is the game changer.

    F6A9EE18-B230-4FA3-B112-0A212C39F3DD.jpeg
     
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