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Long Range Sub-sonic

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Mencius, Nov 13, 2012.

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  1. jmorris

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    I agree casefull and figured it would only take a few posts to illustrate how ethics are little more than opinions. The two posts following mine showed that well enough.
     
  2. Mencius

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    Does the BC and/or accuracy of a shotgun slug pretty much rule it out as a longer ranged subsonic/suppressed load? Seems like a slug would be a big ol' hunk of lead and they don't move too fast even with full powered loads.

    Just a thought.
     
  3. jmorris

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    You have an even bigger hole at the end of the barrel, among other negatives.
     
  4. Swampman

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    First, my apologies to the OP and to those who have contributed to his thread.
    I was the first one to use the dreaded "E" word and I am sorry if it contributed to throwing this thread off on a tangent and into oblivion.

    I may have made a small breakthrough with lethality vis a vis my cast bullets.
    For the meat of the post, just skip down to the picture.

    Originally posted by Swampman
    Originally posted by JustinJ
    So, you support the torture of plant species?

    Also, can you please explain to me how flying over something and shooting it with a weapon firing almost 22, .308 Winchester rounds per second (love that MG3!) is somehow going to cause "undue suffering"?

    Despite your claims of rationality, you just find the thought of machine gunning hogs from a chopper distasteful, that's fine, but to somehow equate shooting an animal eight or ten times in under a half a second with "undue suffering" is about as far from any rational thought process as it's possible to get.

    I would also very much appreciate it if you could define exactly what constitutes "undue suffering" for me and my equally ignorant redneck brethren. Although I've never been shot, its always been my assumption that having a bolt sized chunk of hot lead and brass blown through any portion of my anatomy at any velocity might cause a bit of an "ouchie".

    Killing animals by overdosing them with some sort of ultra fast acting, orally administered barbituate compound would undoubtedly result in less suffering for the game killed.

    Every fall we can have "Poisoning Season", wait, that sounds too brutal, how about "Sleeping Season?

    I think I'm gonna puke...
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    I was recently reading about a new saboted Swedish PDW round and I was intrigued when they claimed to have vastly increased the AP projectiles lethality by simply cutting a "scallop" into the ogive of the bullet. They claimed that this treatment allowed the bullet to remain stable in flight, but caused it to yaw and tumble almost immediately when it struck gelatin or tissue.

    I tried the modification on some Lee/Midway, .309, 230 grain 5R boattail cast bullets and while not as accurate as I'd like, it's no worse than before scalloping the ogives. I'm convinced that the accuracy problems I've had with this bullet are due to the boattail and insufficient stability due to the 1/10" twist in my Remington 700 AAC SD. While testing has need very limited, the one coyote that volunteered as a test subject had no complaints about the terminal ballistics.

    I'm going to get one of the cavities in this mold milled into a flat base gas check and try them out in a buddies .300 Blackout 1/8" ? twist Contender.

    FYI- I know the bullet in the pic looks like crap, I shot all the decent ones and had to pull one out of the cull can for the photo.
     
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