Gunslinger686
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Got about 1300 to drop on one, i like the kimber desert warrior,IF you have one or know someone who did your opinion please.
Looking at a new 1911
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sigsteve
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I can't tell you about the Kimber Desert Warrior, but I hear that's a great pistol. At that price range though I'd take a look at a Dan Wesson Valor if you can find one. I know they're going on the street right now for a '09 anywhere's from $1300 to $1600. Also look at the PM-7 or a Heritage. All incredible values for a 1911.
Also, if you like the desert tan look the Dan Wesson PM-7 in desert tan. There are several on GA and GB right now for around a grand. Very nice finish and only made one year ('09). There won't be many of these around after a while, but they seem to be plentiful right now. I guess that's because they aren't everyones cup of tea? But I can tell you there are only a few hundred of these in existence!
Also, if you like the desert tan look the Dan Wesson PM-7 in desert tan. There are several on GA and GB right now for around a grand. Very nice finish and only made one year ('09). There won't be many of these around after a while, but they seem to be plentiful right now. I guess that's because they aren't everyones cup of tea? But I can tell you there are only a few hundred of these in existence!
sigsteve
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IMHO, a Valor for the price I mentioned would be a better value, buy, & gun. LB's have been rather spotty on STF fit. Some tight as hell and others actually have a rattle! Not many, but they're out there.
the Baer, along with the Wilson, Brown and Nighthawk, are also high end production 1911s...the most you could call them are semi-customs...and that is what the Valor is. you call order them from Dan Wesson and choose from a list of custom features...you even talk to the guy who will build your Valor for you
Get the Kimber Tactical Custom, all the Warrior lineup is, is a glorified Kimber Custom I with a rail. The Warrior and Kimber Custom are fine pistols but in my opinion entry level and for the price of the Warrior you could buy 2 Custom IIs. I think the Warriors should only be about 100 bucks more than a Custom IINS since the only difference is the finish and rail.
My Tactical Custom with my TLE pro
My Tactical Custom with my TLE pro
sigsteve
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Not joking.You must be joking, the Valor is a top notch production 1911 but it isn't no Baer.
NMGonzo
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I got a DW and I have way less than that invested.
MICHAEL T
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Please a Baer, Dan Wesson ,Ed brown, all worth the money Kimber isn't close to that kind of money or near the workmanship.
I had a Kimber once I have a Dan Wesson, several Colts and saving for a Brown.
Its a lot of money to spend. See who has the cheaper MIN parts in their guns. I didn't say MIM was bad I said cheaper to make . More profit in the pistol Its not the first 3 above l.
I had a Kimber once I have a Dan Wesson, several Colts and saving for a Brown.
Its a lot of money to spend. See who has the cheaper MIN parts in their guns. I didn't say MIM was bad I said cheaper to make . More profit in the pistol Its not the first 3 above l.
Talk about Kimber bashing. Have any of you guys even held a Kimber manufactured in the last year? They have changed, stop judging their past. But then again you guys do judge Colt by their great past even though their current guns aren't so great. Maybe you all need to get with the times.
Zerodefect
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Another vote for the Dan Wesson Valor. Darn good gun. Based on the limited sample of Less Baers and Wilsons I've seen, I'd rather have a Valor.
Sapper771
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I can't recommend a Kimber. I will recommend a Springfield TRP in Armory Kote though.
Nope....I'll bash on Colt a bit too if you'd like.
I'm not bashing Kimber because of an extractor problem or one of their other issues from the past. I'm just saying there's absolutely no way they are worth that kind of money when compared to the competition at that price range. I'm not saying they're total junk but they certainly aren't in the same class as the ones I mentioned above. $1300 for a Kimber? Cmon now. Not a chance. I've seen plenty of used Baers and Browns for that and they are in a different league. A DW valor is a big step up from anything Kimber makes and it's about that price new.Gunslinger, If you want a Kimber I would not hesitate. Dont let a few guys here on a message board talk you out of it. They make quality 1911's. Some of the negative you hear on here and other sites is a repercussion of the sheer numbers of 1911's which Kimber produce annually. As of 2007 Kimber was producing over 55000 1911's annually, far more than any of the competition. Let me give you an example. If Kimber produces 55000 1911's and they have a 5% trouble rate then that means that there are going to be 2750 aggravated Kimber customers each year. If say the competition produces 3000 and have a 5% problem rate then there are only 150 disgruntled owners out there. 2750 folks make alot more noise than 150, its just simple math.
I actually dont own a Kimber myself but was in a friends gunshop a while back and just asked him about Kimber out of sheer curiosity just to see what he thought. With all of the negative I had heard on here I was just wanting to talk to someone I trust that had tons of experience with them. He sells virtually every major manufacturer on the market and he looked at me and said as far as he was concerned that Kimber was the best of the best. I said do you have any complaints from aggravated Kimber customers. he simply said "Never." Most of his business comes from return customers and let me assure you an angry customer is not a return customer.
I actually dont own a Kimber myself but was in a friends gunshop a while back and just asked him about Kimber out of sheer curiosity just to see what he thought. With all of the negative I had heard on here I was just wanting to talk to someone I trust that had tons of experience with them. He sells virtually every major manufacturer on the market and he looked at me and said as far as he was concerned that Kimber was the best of the best. I said do you have any complaints from aggravated Kimber customers. he simply said "Never." Most of his business comes from return customers and let me assure you an angry customer is not a return customer.
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Gunslinger686
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Techsan
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I own a DW CBOB and Valor. They are both excellent production 1911s. Good luck with your search.
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Did they stop using MIM?
ttheel
As of 2007 Kimber was producing over 55000 1911's annually, far more than any of the competition. Let me give you an example. If Kimber produces 55000 1911's and they have a 5% trouble rate then that means that there are going to be 2750 aggravated Kimber customers each year. its just simple math.
ok ttheel apply that "simple math" to glock (or XD) and explain why they have x10 more guns on the street than kimber and almost no complaints?
As of 2007 Kimber was producing over 55000 1911's annually, far more than any of the competition. Let me give you an example. If Kimber produces 55000 1911's and they have a 5% trouble rate then that means that there are going to be 2750 aggravated Kimber customers each year. its just simple math.
ok ttheel apply that "simple math" to glock (or XD) and explain why they have x10 more guns on the street than kimber and almost no complaints?
you're kidding, right
that's usually the excuse Glock folks use for their reported problems
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