Looking for a good, preferably jacketed, bullet for 38 Special.

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  1. mcb

    mcb Member

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    The problem with a lighter bullet will be POI since I will be using these in a fixed sight Model 10 that seems to like 158/160 gr bullets.

    That said I decided to give Matt's bullets a try. I have ordered 100 of the 148gr Round Flat Hollow Points and 100 of the 158 Gr Hollow Point Semi-wad Cutters. I like the looks of the 148 gr and those are my first choice, the 158gr are going to be my backup.
     
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    If you want expansion... VELOCITY is your friend. Turn 'em up! :)
     
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  3. mcb

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    True, but ~850-900 fps from a revolver is much easier on the ears than something up in the trans or supersonic velocities, and I am not doing battle with anything that big.

    Once I get loads worked up for both we'll do some water and maybe wet magazine testing to see if the bullets actually open. Hopefully some armadillos too and hopefully not any more rattlers but if push comes to shove they will get used for testing too.
     
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    Why dont you require it to wash you dishes while you are at it? There is a reason for different weights.
     
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  5. mcb

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    Because the last time I asked a varmint to wait while a reloading my revolver with ammo appropriate to said varmint he made raspberries at me a scampered off. This ammo is for my woods (middle TN woods) revolver and I want ammo that is capable for as wide a variety of possible encounters as possible. A good HP that opens relatively quickly at 38 Special velocities would be ideal and capable of doing everything I need if not fully optimal for all those situations. Given my fixed sights a weight near 158gr will make regulation easier. Got to do the best we can and live with the rest.
     
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    Understood. Utility is a great thing. But it is kinda difficult to change a head gasket w a cresent wrench. At some point we hit a practicality wall. I think your asking a lot.
     
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    That's an unusual looking rattler. Mojave?
     
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    A soft lead hollow point as already mentioned.

    140-158 to keep the POI where you want it.
     
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    As I mentioned up thread that is what I have settled on. I could not find a coated version so I have traditional lubricated lead coming. I decided to give Matt's bullets a try, I use his bullets in my Webleys. I have ordered 100 of the 148gr Round Flat Hollow Points and 100 of the 158 Gr Hollow Point Semi-wad Cutters. I like the looks of the 148 gr and those are my first choice, the 158gr are going to be my backup.
     
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    I use a lot of Zero bullets and I can tell you that their .45ACP 230gr will give you maximum expansion at minimum power factor.
    I use their 38/357 158gr JSP's but only at 357 Magnum velocities.
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  12. Bfh_auto

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    What
    Powder are you going to use?
     
  13. mcb

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    The reason I wanted a Jacket bullet was so I could use Titegroup. I have a heap of it and it works well with a jacketed bullets but with uncoated lead its really smokie in my experience. I have some 4227, 231 and trailboss I will probably try first before resorting to Titegroup and have a duel purpose load (killing things and creating a smoke screen).

    More than happy to hear other suggestions for lead 148 and 158 gr bullets.

    ETA: almost forgot I have several pounds of bullseye too, that might work too.
     
  14. Bfh_auto

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    Bullseye will definitely work.
    I got smoke with Tight group until I got into the plus p range. I'm far from its biggest fan.
     
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    Sounds like I should start with bullseye and move to the other if and when needed.
     
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    Xtreme makes a plated HP called the X-Def that should do what you want. Its a .355 diameter probably best for a 9mm, but I can see it working in a .38 for snakes and similar pests, too.

    https://www.xtremebullets.com/9MM-124gr-HP-X-Def-p/xd9mm-124hp-b0100.htm
    They make a 135gr bullet, too.

    The jackets on .357 caliber bullets just never seem to work consistently with .38 velocities in small critters.

    Stay safe.
     
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    It's a blacktail rattlesnake. My cat saw him coiled up by the backdoor steps and I noticed the cat acting funny, staring at something. Turn on the light and look over the edged of the step and there's a rattlesnake right by the door mat. Thanks kitty!
     
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    Hornady 158 SWC-HP lead. Swagged super soft bullet that will expand all day at 800-850 fps. Keep it around there and you will not have leading as long as you have a barrel that likes lead. Cheap and easy! RimRock makes a soft 158 SWC-HP with gas check (no leading) that Buffalo Bore uses for their standard pressure .38 load. A bit pricey but I have used it for my FBI load copy. That being said most Jacketed rounds need decent velocity for expansion and are harder to load to those velocities with acceptable pressure in 158 grain, lighter is a good option. Quite a few companies make coated Penta Hollow points but check the brinnel hardness on those. For regular .38 velocities swagged or around 8 brinnel is needed for reliable expansion.
     
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    You have had a ton of good responses. I’m going in a different direction.

    Try a lighter bullet, at higher velocity.

    I get that you have fixed sights.

    A Model 10 was my duty weapon for way too many years.

    But at 7 yards, you should be able to compensate for the different POI.
     
  20. Bfh_auto

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    That was my suggestion also. They are an excellent soft bullet. They became my carry load in a snub 38 . Until I found the new Remington hollow points. They're something else.
     
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    Can you share a link to that specific product? Is it loaded ammo or bullets for reloading. -thanks
     
  22. Bfh_auto

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    Google Hornady 158 cowboy. It's a bullet for reloading.
     
  23. mcb

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    I was referring to your reference to a new Remington HP. Do they work well in 38 Special?
     
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    I'll have to look when I get home. It's a 125 gr hollow point. It has the petals cut instead of notched.
     
  25. Bfh_auto

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    Found it.
    Ultimate defense 38 +p available at Midway.
     
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