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Looking for first CCW handgun. .380 vs. .40.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by mgh-pa, Dec 26, 2012.

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  1. mgh-pa

    mgh-pa Member

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    Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm not new to firearms, just to handguns, and after getting my CCW permit this summer, I've put off purchasing a handgun for longer than I would like. I've fired a variety of .45s and 9mms, and one .38, so I have a pretty good feel for the size gun I would like. I'm not able to carry daily since I'm a school teacher, but I would like to have a gun I can keep with me (on or not) in my vehicle when not on the job, as well as carry on me when outside of school.

    A lot of people I know really like their .380 Bersa's, and I know one person who just bough a Sig P238 in a .380 and loves it (although he thinks it's a bit on the heavy side compared to other polymer pistols).

    I've been eyeing up the XDs in .40 since it's so slim (that's a big one, since I think I want to carry using an IWB), but it is pricey, albeit no more pricey than the aforementioned Sig.

    Is there any general recommendations on the .40 vs. .380 from a carry aspect? Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Skribs

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    The XDs is offered in .45, not .45.

    .40 vs. .380 isn't a debate I see very often, they are too widely different calibers. It seems to me that you want a single stack pistol for carry. There are a lot of these on the market nowadays; personally I'd recommend a 9 or a .380 over a .40 in that size. Considering how my .380 LCP beats up my hand, I wouldn't want a small, light .40.

    I'd recommend 9 over .380, although there are a few really small options that don't have a comparable 9, if deep concealment is an issue. Something like the S&W M&P Shield, Sig P938, Beretta Nano, or something similar would be my recommendation.
     
  3. jrdolall

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    Lots of difference between a 380 and a 40. I like to carry the biggest gun I can comfortably carry so I often pocket carry a .380 but prefer to ankle carry a .45. I am not really comfortable with IWB or OWB. Bersa Thunder is on the large size for a .380 but is a good gun. For pocket carry, in the sub $500 range, Ruger and KelTec as well as several others, have nice .380s. If I were going to carry OWB or IWB then I would generally not mind the gun size as much and, assuming you are proficient with the larger caliber, I would go with a .40.
     
  4. jwrowland77

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    Go .40 as main CCW and have a .380 as a BUG.
     
  5. Mp7

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    before every1 else jumps in on this:

    Do u know a place, where u can rent handguns and shoot them?

    From the simplicist 38detective to a Glock, CZ, XD ... whatever make
    ... it all comes down to:

    Does it fit MY hand,
    does it point for ME"
    ... do i feel comfortable walking around with it EDC?


    might be an LCP, LCR ... or a fullsize whatever.

    100 options. Forum-reading wont solve it.


    Just try out the 5-10 most likely,
    that are favoured by the web-community.

    For some its a LCP, S&W shield, for some a 10mm Glock or a 1911. (..)

    Rule1: bring it.
    Rule2: know how to use it.
     
  6. md2lgyk

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    Reasonable advice. However, I've lived in about 25 locations in the past 40 years, and have yet to actually see someplace that rents guns.
     
  7. momano

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    Looking at 9mm.s is really good advice. The ammo is much more affordable; more $ to spend on practice ammo. Look at the Glock 26, S&W M&P 9c, the Shield, the Kahrs, and the Nano. Good luck!
     
  8. jrdolall

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    We have a local place called Shooters that rents and sells guns. Their prices for purchase are pretty high but they also sell their rentals on occasion. Lots of rounds through them but generally well maintained.
     
  9. golden

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    MGH,

    Those are such different choices, I think they are exclusive.

    In .380ACP, I would go with the SIG 232 with blue (aluminum) frame and night sights. It has terrific quality, good sights, excellent trigger and very good reliability. Like all these pocket pistols, clean them on a regular basis.

    The SIG is similar in size and trigger action to the BERSA, but is more expensive. I recommend it because I carry it.

    In a .40 S&W, I would go for a large gun. I use the BERETTA 96. The recoil is severe enough, that I would not use a smaller gun. I only use the 155 grain high velocity load in the .40 S&W for carry ammo.

    I am issued an H&K P-2000 in .40 S&W and can qualify with it, but I do not like it. If it was a 9m.m., I would be much happier.

    Again, these calibers are apples and oranges, with little in common.

    Jim
     
  10. J2FLAN

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    golden; makes a goot point, the the sub-compact 40s can be very hard to control and shot placement is everything. I have carried a Sig 232 for 5+ years for that reason, along with others. For a first carry gun, maybe one that fits your hand, is known to be reliable and carries well, over caliber choice.

    BTW, my signature is said "tongue in cheek"
     
  11. Warp

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    .380 or .40?

    I chose 9mm
     
  12. jrdolall

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    How many responses will suggest a caliber other than what the OP was asking about? I know we all have our favorites but why not just answer the actual quesion?
    I recommend a 12g pistol for CCW. If that is too bulky then you might want to go with a 44 mag as a pocket carry.
    380 and 40 are not manly enough.
     
  13. Warp

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    There seems to be a "missing link" when comparing .380 to .40

    Like Skribs said, that isn't really something to debate as they are too far apart.



    Or I'll say it this way: If you can get a decent .40 pistol in the size you are looking for, and the only other option is .380...go for the .40 every time. It's a service caliber, and the .380 isn't really
     
  14. miles1

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    I know its not a caliber you listed but I would go 9mm.

    If i had to chose between your 2 choices then .380 as Im not fond of the .40's snappy recoil.
     
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    To answer your original question, I'll say that if choosing between .380 and .40, I'd opt for the .40 every time. These are two cartridges that are so widely spaced on the performance scale as to not really be in the same league. The .40 is a solid performer, while the .380 is the minimum I'd consider.

    Honestly, I'd think back over the pistols you've shot, held, ogled, whatever. I'd then choose the pistol first, based on what feels best in your hands. Then choose the caliber that meets your needs that is offered in that pistol model.

    The XD isn't really all that bad to conceal. While it IS a fullsize pistol, it isn't overly thick, especially for being a double stack magazine. Compared to most other doublestacks, it's downright svelte.

    Also consider Newtons Third Law. Touch one off in a tiny little pocket gun and you'll wish you had a larger pistol to soak up some of that recoil. Especially in .40 which isn't really hard recoiling, but is kind of "snappy" in the recoil impulse.

    Which brings up the whole .380 argument. Most .380's are blowback actions, which will have as much, sometimes more, felt recoil than the same size and weight pistol chambered in 9mm.
     
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    Look at the LCP I pocket carry it in my back pocket in a pocket holster.
    Look at a single stack in 9 or 40 , I really like the new shield
     
  17. sean326

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    Hi everyone, long time lurker and this is my first post.
    I'm pretty lucky i've had a lifetime of shooting and almost 30 years of carrying.
    I've got over 100 guns, probably 50ish pistols and a home shooting range i use every few days. As i've grown up with guns i've gone through every phase of carry. '80's cocked and locked 1911, '90's high cap 9's. By the 200's as i got older and less gung ho i found that those guns were too big and bulky. I often left them at home or in my vehicle. I started carrying smaller guns, PPk's, Colt mustangs but honestly they were still steel and a little heavy. I started carrying a small 22lr berretta but i had confidence issues with its power. One day a couple years ago at my LGS i picked up a Ruger LCP, i started carrying that, shaved the mag release (it kept dumping the mag in my pocket) tweaked the front sight with some hi vis-luminous paint. Now that LCP is so small and light that i carry it everyday with no effort or inconvenience, its actually the size of my billfold and at 30' i can easily get all six shots in a dixie plate. I load it with a mixed mag alternating between hollow point and hardcast buffalo big bore ammo. Its got the most important feature of any carry gun.... you'll always carry it, its so small and light its not an issue in anything from summer shorts to daily jeans to a tux you barely know its there.
     
  18. sean326

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    whenever the subject of small carry guns comes up people always get worked up over the effectiveness of the round. Honestly i carry every day and emotionally support the whole idea of personal carry. However i think we can all intellectually admit that most likely we will never be in a firefight in our daily lives. If i am i know i will want my CAR-15, acog sight and 100 rd drum mag with my Glock 21 at my side. But are you going to carry that everyday? No of course not and i've discovered over the years i wont even bother carrying a 1911, sig226 or even PPK. The LCP on the other hand is in my pocket from when i get dressed first thing in the morning till I turn in at night. Additionally I know from first hand experience a .380 is powerful enough to take down a solid muscle 250lb llama with 2 shots (don't ask)
     
  19. Trad Archer

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    Have you looked into the snub revolvers?
     
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    I have a number of carry-able handguns. The one that gets carried the most is a Kel-tec P32 because of it's small size. If the LCP had been out when I got the P32 I would have probably bought the LCP. Tiny increase in size/weight for a fairly significant increase in power.

    I have had a Sig P230 for many years and used to carry it regularly. It has been displace by a Kahr PM9. Smaller size than P230 and more power.

    If you decide on a .40 may I suggest the Kahr CW40. It is a bit larger than that companies PM40...but I would want a little more to hold onto if I'm shooting a .40 S&W.

    Finally if you are new to handguns can I suggest one of the Ruger auto .22s for practice. Cheap ammo anda very accurate pistol will go along way to making you a decent shot.
     
  21. 05kas05

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    kahr pm40 for me

    i have an lcp 380 and a kahr pm40 they both sit in fist kydex holsters w/cant inside the waistband. i have tried other holsters but the kydex works for me now when i carry i always carry the pm40 because it just really seems to be a better fit and easier to get to than the smaller 380.i have tried 3 different i.w.b holsters for the 380 and two different pocket holsters also but i just cant find a comfortable spot for it of course my fat roll probably dont help much but hey what the hell right.
    i used to own a bersa 380 its been awhile but if i remember right it was about as big as my kahr pm40 maybe bigger.

    i would suggest you look at some of the smaller kahr pistols and also maybe look into the ruger lc9 i know 9mm wasnt mentioned but it is not much bigger than the lcp 380. im thinking of switching my carry gun and am looking at some 9mm options mostly the lc9 or kahr pm9 as mentioned above.
    the main thing is it has to be comfortable in the holster and while shooting because if it aint comfortable you wont carry it.
    here is a couple of pics from the net of a pm40 to get an idea of size
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  22. Scoob

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    180 grain bullet at 1000 fps or 90 grain bullet at 1000 fps. .40 is litterally like firing the .380 twice. Double the power but double the recoil. In a small gun that is obviously a considerable difference. .40 cal guns are beefier in order to handle it but still the recoil is sharp. I love .40 but prefer it in gun of 4" barrel or larger. This is a strange comparison.
     
  23. FireInCairo

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    The .380 will offer many, many options for tiny pocket pistols. There is a trade-off in terms of power, though.

    The next logical step up would be 9mm, and there are some small subcompacts that I feel are worth the larger size (compared to the .380) considering you get more power from a 9mm.

    I have a subcompact .40 caliber Kahr PM40. I'm comfortable with the recoil and pleased with the increased power of the .40 caliber cartridge.

    Since I started with a .40 pistol, I think it made me more inclined to handling the greater recoil. You may want to do the same. There are plenty of threads out there that discuss the difference between 9mm and .40 caliber power.
     
  24. mgh-pa

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    Thanks for the input everyone. I have a lot to think about.

    I know the calibers are night and day difference, but I've found I can find quite a few smaller frame guns in the .380 locally than .40s or .45s. I hadn't considered 9mm since it seems the general consensus from a few people I talked to that going "up" to a .40 or .45 is much more worthwhile for CCW. I still subscribe to the theory that a 9mm, at close range, is going to be effective, and WAY more effective than being unarmed.
     
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    The Diamondback DB9 is about as small as you can get but it gets mixed reviews on reliability. I have 2 friends that have them and one shoots everything you feed it while the other is picky about HP ammo. KelTec PF9 is small enough to slide in most pockets as well.
    To me it really comes down to what you are comfortable shooting and carrying. If you are not comfortable because the gun is too bulky then you may not carry it all the time and if you are not comfortable shooting it you may as well not carry it. For me I like the fact that a small .380 just disappears in my pocket and I don't even know it is there. Like most people I have never had to use any of my CCWs and I hope I never need to test out the "stopping power" theories.
     
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