Looking to get a new gun.

[GEM]

For most quality modern handguns, the accuracy comes from the shooter and not the gun. You have to have a very high level of skill to worry about small differences in accuracy. It is common for someone to buy a new gun as this or that gun isn't accurate. A person with some training should be able to shoot well with most guns, except for some extremes in physical hand size.

That being said, number of hits on the square range at what distance? Even beginners hit at 3 to 7 yards. Studies show that accuracy for them falls off beyond that distance.

Next, in the 'real' world, hits are not near 90%. People do make great shots like in the recent church shooting but usually it's more difficult under stress and movement.

The criterion makes no sense as it implies the gun is the issue when it usually isn't. Yeah, I saw a new person who couldn't shoot a 357 Sig because of the recoil. Within reasonable limits, it's you.

 

[Electricmo]

I’m a little late to the party but I don’t see where the OP ever stated what brand of single action he has. There are spring kits for most SAA clones that make most of them smooth as silk. Inexpensive fix at that.Is he being vague for a reason?

 

[Koroner]

The way to hit your target is through intensive training with a quality handgun and not a gimmick.

The ability to keep a cool head in a dangerous situation is often a pivotal factor. I disagree with Petzoldt who said, "there are bold climbers and there are old climbers, but there are no old bold climbers."

Not true. Prime examples; Peter Croft; close to a hundred MAJOR free-solos; he has quit doing it and is well into his 60s.
Jim Bridwell; big hairy routes on 4 continents. Died in bed in his 70s.
I've seen them at it and gotta tell you these guys keep their cool!

Anyway if I chose a a .45 revolver for defense it would be my snubby S&W Air-Lite in .45acp (it reloads FAST with moon clips).
If I had to choose a .45 Colt it would be the S&W Mountain Gun.

 

[Ed Ames]

I’m a little late to the party but I don’t see where the OP ever stated what brand of single action he has. There are spring kits for most SAA clones that make most of them smooth as silk. Inexpensive fix at that.Is he being vague for a reason?

He posted photos in another thread. One is a Cimarron and the other is Uberti.

 

[The Hand Gunner]

I’m a little late to the party but I don’t see where the OP ever stated what brand of single action he has. There are spring kits for most SAA clones that make most of them smooth as silk. Inexpensive fix at that.Is he being vague for a reason?

I actually have it posted in another thread but for future reference it is an Uberti/Cimarron reproduction of "The Man With No Name" firearm that Clint Eastwood uses.

 

[The Hand Gunner]

He posted photos in another thread. One is a Cimarron and the other is Uberti.

I've actually found out that Cimarron is owned by Uberti. I didn't know that until I tried to find out when my guns were manufactured.

 

[Electricmo]

I've actually found out that Cimarron is owned by Uberti. I didn't know that until I tried to find out when my guns were manufactured.

Cimarron isn’t owned by Uberti .They sell Uberti products. They also sell Pietta and maybe others. Their shop sells and installs spring kit packages that could slick your guns up. Uberti has changed their hammers by installing the spring safety in it making it a 3 click instead of 4 click. Pietta Guns have the extra safety installed in the base pin by adding a safety groove. Easily changed and still a true clone of the 1873 Colt. Importing laws require these safeties. Pietta does the best at making a conversion back to original the easiest. Good luck on your new gun quest.

 

[Robert]

Even top level competition shooters miss on occasion, especially in practical/combat style courses. 100% perfection is not a reasonable standard to expect from any human in a high-stress situation.

This is why one of the four rules is to be aware of your target and what is beyond it.

You are absolutely correct. I should have been more clear, that's what I get for posting in a hurry.

In competition misses may or may not be a big deal. I compete, I totally get that.

In self defence every hit, or miss, counts. I work in law enforcement so I come at things from that point of view. I'm not saying it's the best or theothe one, just where I come from. You are responsible for every miss. I am combat accurate. I will never win matches based on my groups, but I keep my rounds, on target. We shoot from contact distance to 25y or further, standing, kneeling, sitting, moving, facing the other direction so we have to turn to face the threat... We have a really good training section that makes it as real as possible.

Misses count, misses mean something, misses get you the attention of an instructor. Not always a bad thing. Heck they can tell what kind of mood I'm in by my grouping...lol

Training to perfection is a reasonable standard. Even under stress. Every time I pull the trigger I am responsible for where that round goes. Sometimes that training means you don't pull the trigger.

 

[Kleanbore]

I'm thinking of replacing the single action with a Taurus Raging Bull for the sake of ammo versatility plus I can still shoot my single actions 45LC ammunition from it as well. Does anyone here have any exsperance with the Taurus Raging Bull or any other weapons they would think could be a good replacement for one?

When the Judge came out I thought it too large and too heavy, and I was not favorably impressed with the performance with either .45 Colt or .410 loads.

Here's what Tom Givens had to say:

"The verdict? I can’t find anything the Judge does well that a standard handgun won’t do better. At room ranges—five to seven yards—the buckshot pattern is so small that it must be aimed precisely, just like a handgun bullet, so there is no advantage there. Beyond that distance, danger to bystanders is simply too great to even consider using the gun. With birdshot, the Judge is essentially useless. With .45 ammo, it is a large, ungainly piece with poor accuracy.

"I’ll pass."​

 

[SRSTAdam21]

When the Judge came out I thought it too large and too heavy, and I was not favorably impressed with the performance with either .45 Colt or .410 loads.

Here's what tT Givens had to say:

"The verdict? I can’t find anything the Judge does well that a standard handgun won’t do better. At room ranges—five to seven yards—the buckshot pattern is so small that it must be aimed precisely, just like a handgun bullet, so there is no advantage there. Beyond that distance, danger to bystanders is simply too great to even consider using the gun. With birdshot, the Judge is essentially useless. With .45 ammo, it is a large, ungainly piece with poor accuracy.

"I’ll pass."​

100% in agreement with this. My dad just HAD to have one. Didn't last long in his safe. I was unimpressed.