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Looking to get a new pistol that's not a C&B revolver

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by TTv2, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. TTv2

    TTv2 Member

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    Having 5 or 6 shots in a revolver is nice, but the caps causing issues and the time it takes to load them is losing its appeal. So, I have been thinking it may be time to get a single shot or a double barrel muzzleloader, but I'm not sure what to get. What I do know is I don't want a flintlock and it must be at least .36 caliber.

    Also, if it can use .375 or .454 round balls that would be a big plus.

    No preference for it to be rifled or smoothbore, the distances I'll be shooting at with it (25 yards max) either would work.

    Things that immediately come to mind are the Pedersoli Howdah and the American Guncraft Diablo. Lyman has their GPP, but that is rather large for a single shot. Also, I have long had an interest in the Great Gun derringers from Czech Republic and would pay to have one imported.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. skeeterfogger

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    Finding a rifle that will accommodate a revolver diameter is not going to be easy unless you have a barrel made for it. One for .375 would need to be .385 and for a .454 would be .464. Casting you own would be best bet if you want to reuse the lead.
     
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  3. Malachi Leviticus Blue

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    There has been some recent discussion her about the Italian copies of the Tingle Target Pistols.
    They are single shot target pistols.
    The copies made by ASM were .44 caliber. I cant remember if I used existing balls for C&B revolvers I had or if I acquired balls with the Tingle pistol but I did fire one I had a few years ago.
     
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  4. Mike 56

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    I think I would start with a single barrel or even a single shot 20 gauge shotgun you can hand load round balls as well as shotshells with black powder with homemade tools for not much money. I am on the lookout for one for myself.
    Missed the pistol part How about a cap lock pistol. I have an old CVA Kentucky 45cal They are a lot of fun. I was at a Sportsman Wearhouse in Stockton, Ca today they had a kit in stock for 209.00. They are showing 50cal pistols in stock online. https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...s-50cal-kentucky-black-powder-pistol/p/303541 Tingle Target Pistols would be a great choice as well as Malachi Leviticus Blue posted.
     
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  5. arcticap

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    Those issues can usually be overcome, paper cartridges, loading press, cap post or a different model.
    And cartridges loaded with round balls can be used with conversion cylinders.

    Not that it matters, but the time that it ends up taking to load a Howdah may end up taking twice as long depending on its configuration.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to go in a different direction, but the direction seems pretty open ended.
    Would you rather blow stuff up, plink, or target shoot?
    It seems that you would rather plink than target shoot with precision accuracy.

    Depending on the configuration, the Howdah can be expensive to buy and shoot too.
    It's not as accurate as a target gun, especially because of the sights, and will probably cost more to shoot as a plinker.

    Whereas if you went the target route, there are higher quality revolvers and some affordable single shot pistols.
    The Pedersoli Continental .45 Target pistol is a newer model that's made for target shooting. --->>> http://www.cherrys.com/ped_pist.htm
    But this type of gun would probably be fired with light powder charges to get best accuracy.
    The experience and purpose would be a lot different than shooting a Howdah, although it could be used for plinking at clay birds and steel targets.
    The same with the Pedersoli Bounty Hunter, which like the Howdah may also need two hands to hold it for offhand shooting.

    The Great Gun Derringer seems to be more of a self-defense novelty gun due to its short barrels.
    I wouldn't think that it would be as much fun to go shooting with as a revolver in good working order.
    And many European dealers don't seem to have them available.
     
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  6. TTv2

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    From what I've read the company that makes the Great Gun derringers is a very small outfit and isn't able to produce a large number of guns.

    Target shooting isn't necessarily the goal, but I don't want something that is totally inaccurate at a longer distance, so something like a pepperbox isn't what I want. If a smoothbore can hit the 8 inch plates at 15 yards, I'm happy. It's crazy to think, but the sights on a Howdah are probably better than a Colt style revolver.
     
  7. TTv2

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    I was the one asking about them as I'd never seen them before. They would interest me more than the Lyman single shot pistol as they seem to be smaller and likely use the same balls the revolvers do.
     
  8. arcticap

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    Previous reports indicate that it takes a .433 ball and a thin patch which fits tight.
    A .440 bullet fit snug at the muzzle.
    And it shot PRB's 12" - 16" high at 20 yards. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/cva-prospector-found-his-final-home.828740/

    If bare .454 balls could be hammered into the bore, then that would be slow loading. ;)
     
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  9. TTv2

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    In the past few days I've leaned very strongly towards the Lyman, largely because the barrels are easily replaceable and I've long thought about buying a spare barrel and drilling out the bore to 20 gauge as then I've got an accurate rifle barrel for longer distance and a smooth barrel for short range use with shot.

    Now the question is .50 or .54 caliber? I don't cast and the price for 100 balls seems to be the same.
     
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    The Lyman Plains pistols are very accurate.
    There was a time when there were more than a few complaints about the stocks cracking at the wrist.
    It shouldn't dissuade anybody from buying one, but it's something to be aware of.
    This first report was from 2020 and happened during the first time loading it.

    https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...ls-loading-like-my-rifle.121859/#post-1670549

    This report was from 2010 and the same thing happened during loading.
    See the photos. --->>> https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/broken-grip-on-lyman-plains-pistol.498747/
     
  11. TTv2

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    Seems like something that's caused by poor quality wood and happens quickly into the life of the gun. Also, I wasn't buying a kit, I was going to buy one already made by Lyman, so if there's any issue with the stock Lyman is more likely to cover it than if it were a kit gun.

    Also, from the velocities listed it seems like the .54 is the way to go. Almost 500 lbs of muzzle energy? That's great for a black powder pistol!
     
  12. Ironhand54

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    If you watch the used market you can sometimes find a TC Patriot pistol. They were very well made single shots, usually in 45 with some in 36. Set triggers, good sights and TC quality.

    patriot-with-ramrod.jpg

    I like mine
    IronHand
     
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