looks like the first Kel-Tec RFB in 7.62x51/.308 has hit the market

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That sucks if they're not going to have the 24" model. :uhoh: Hopefully they'll keep it. To my way of thinking, it's just about right for overall length, while not getting as heavy as the target model.
 
That GB listing is not just $10,000 but $200 for shipping as well.......

Yes, this is a capitalist free market, but this posting lumps together all the worst examples of fear mongering, FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) and outright fibs....and all for a weapon with an MSRP about $1500.

Now if this was hand signed by the development team, serial no 000001 etc there may be a collectors premium.
 
I can't wait to see this thing in the next Hitman game.
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I can't wait to see it in real life. It seems they technically met their release date by shipping a very small number of units out but months after the release I am yet to see one in real life. I am also yet to see any targets showing the RFB's accuracy.
 
$2500 for a Kel-Tec? Don't get me wrong, I love my Kel-Tecs and they've never run into a problem, but that's a little unrealistic.
 
Ugly? Other than a small number of antiques w/ beautiful wood furniture, most firearms are "ugly". I look at it as a light and efficient means to take 20 pursuers off my, and my families trail out to 1000m. Worst case scenario of course
 
They don't seem to come out smooth at all, and sometimes bild up and all come out at once. Is this normal for a forward eject?
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They're not forcefully ejected, they just get pushed into the ejection tubes. Depending in how the gun is oriented they can fall out or get pushed out by subsequent casings. But apparently it's a strong mechanism, it's allegedly capable of ejecting when the gun is fired straight up. Apparently Kellgren has a thing about his guns being capable of shooting at planes.
 
This is the first bullpup that might trip my trigger. :eek: I like the looks of it and the caliber. I have several .308's lying around and it would make a nice addition. The price is a strong point against it though.
 
Mr Greebe, I would venture a guess that the materials used in constructing a firearm, especially designing a new one are are only a small percentage of the "cost" of production.

Don't forget about:

advertising
R&D
insurance
lawyers
company employee salaries and retirement
etc.etc

You aren't paying for the materials.
 
And as a matter of fact, while plastic itself is dirt cheap, the moulds and machinery used to make those plastic parts are ridiculously expensive. Not as big a deal to Glock, maybe, but Kel-Tec has only built about 125 RFBs so far. Which means they've probably only made about $100,000 in sales on the platform, after it's been "released" for an entire quarter.
 
Yes but for the money you could have a very nice XCR like this one:

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If you need it short you fold the stock and it comes in shorter than the Bull.

To each his own but I still believe weapon prices are getting way overpriced these days.

Greebe
 
Greebe,

Got the XCR (you can tell how early an adopter I am, I have one of the very few HBAR 1:8's), gonna get an RFB, two completely different beasties.

Cost is close to a wash.

The XCR in 5.56/6.8 with an 18.5" barrel with the folding stock you mentioned comes in, on Rob Arms site at $1850, comparable prices on GB.

The RFB is currently selling at about 2K and has come down over the last month as more have entered the pipeline.
 
The XCR shoots a lighter caliber, isn't ambidextrous, has a longer overall length (no one is going to be shooting one folded), has an inferior trigger than the RFB, has fewer gas port settings, and ultimately is not all that incredibly different than an AR15.
 
Well, according to everything I've seen I'll be buying one once they can be had for between $1000-$1500. And I do mean actually in my hand, that is. They may be out there, but not for that price.

Bullpup .308. Decent optic on it, and I bet it'll be an awesome weapon.
 
$2500 for a Kel-Tec? Don't get me wrong, I love my Kel-Tecs and they've never run into a problem, but that's a little unrealistic.
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Around two kilobucks is a fairly standard price for a US-made semi-auto .308 these days. I'm not surprised to see the Kel-Tec commanding a premium, as it's a new design.
 
The XCR shoots a lighter caliber, isn't ambidextrous, has a longer overall length (no one is going to be shooting one folded), has an inferior trigger than the RFB, has fewer gas port settings, and ultimately is not all that incredibly different than an AR15.
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The XCR will shoot a 6.5 Grendel or the 6.8 SPC, which is less than the the .308, but the 6.5 Grendel has similar ballistics. I have shot a lot of .308 but after owning one assault rifle chambered for it I would not want to have to hump the extra weight and take the extra abuse day in and out. Having used the 5.56 in the Army I have no desire for a rifle chambered in that. I would be quite happy with a 6.5 Grendel.

The XCR does have ambi-safty and yes you are correct that you would not shoot it with the stock folded. Having carried the M16A2 with a 20 inch barrel I don't feel like the extra length made that much difference, thus unfolding the stock when in hostile areas would not be a big deal.

The XCR actually is quite different than the AR platform. Take a look inside of one of them and you will see that aside from the the looks of the lower and the ability to take a Ar mag, they are very different and much more reliable.

I don't know about the trigger difference on the RFB compared to the XCR. I haven't shot the RFB. Have you? If so, how do they differ?

Now if they came out with the RFB in .260 Rem I think I might bite. They also say they might make a version in 6.5 G which would be cool.

Anyways I didn't mean to get into a war about which riffle was better. I didn't say that the XCR was, just using it as a price point comparison, and I believe it is overpriced as well.

Feel free to flame me, I don't really care, I'm fireproof yo!

Best regards,
Greebe
 
The XCR will shoot a 6.5 Grendel or the 6.8 SPC, which is less than the the .308, but the 6.5 Grendel has similar ballistics. I have shot a lot of .308 but after owning one assault rifle chambered for it I would not want to have to hump the extra weight and take the extra abuse day in and out. Having used the 5.56 in the Army I have no desire for a rifle chambered in that. I would be quite happy with a 6.5 Grendel.
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Regardless, 7.62x51 NATO > 6.5 Grendel in virtually every meaningful comparison. Power, ammo cost, range, availability, compatability...the 6.5 Grendel is never going to replace or even supplant 5.56 or 7.62, so ultimately it's a waste in my mind. The XCR weighs 7.5 pounds, the RFB weighs 8.1. That extra half-pound is more than made up for by the superior balance of the RFB.

Having carried the M16A2 with a 20 inch barrel I don't feel like the extra length made that much difference, thus unfolding the stock when in hostile areas would not be a big deal.
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Huh? I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Shaving more than a foot of overall length off of a rifle makes a tremendous, incredibly important difference in handling no matter what you're doing.

I don't know about the trigger difference on the RFB compared to the XCR. I haven't shot the RFB. Have you? If so, how do they differ?
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The RFB trigger is really, really good. Not quite into the realm of a Timney or an Accutrigger, but far better than one typically sees on any production semi-auto, and lightyears ahead of any other bullpup trigger.

Now if they came out with the RFB in .260 Rem I think I might bite. They also say they might make a version in 6.5 G which would be cool.
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You seem to be a masochist for unobtainable wildcat cartridges that no one uses, don't you? ;)
 
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