Looks like there may soon be more Constitutional carry states

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If that's not what you are saying then you must be referring to Permitless Carry.
Even though it's called "Constitutional Carry" here in Idaho, it's not really even "Permitless Carry" - at least not everywhere. And I'm not talking about places like courthouses, post offices and social security offices.
As I said in my post (#16) earlier in this thread, we can't legally carry guns on Idaho's college and university campuses without an Idaho "Enhanced" Concealed Carry License. Idaho's college and university "elites" saw to that. And note it's the "Enhanced" version of the license that's required - not just the "Standard" version that doesn't require an 8-hour class to obtain.
Because we still need a license to legally carry on Idaho's college and university campuses is one of the reasons I put Idaho's version of "Constitutional Carry" in quotation marks. I don't call it that myself.;)
 
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In my world words mean things. So by saying Constitutional Carry are you saying there are zero restrictions on anyone carrying a firearm? If that's not what you are saying then you must be referring to Permitless Carry.
No restrictions for open or concealed carry for law-abiding citizens. I believe gov't bldgs. and banks are no-no's, too. If you are not a prohibited person.
 
Georgia is on the list of states that may adopt Constitutional carry, but that is only because our current governor faces re-election this year and is facing a serious primary challenge. He is doing anything he can to win back Republican voters after he sat by and let the election be stolen. So he is just making wild election year promises at this point as he tries to survive. Business interests in Atlanta are not going to let Constitutional Carry pass in Georgia.
 
Alabama will take the SC route. In SC, while we didn't go full-blown Constitutional Carry, we did go permit holder open carry and no more "printing" violations plus it is now free to apply-for the permit. Used to have to include a $50 money order ... now it's free. We still require "qualification" training which, me personally, after teaching and training for so many years ... I am in full agreement-with. I've simply had too many people come through my classes who should not be carrying no matter how much we tried. And we have castle doctrine and peaceable journey here so you do not have to have a permit to have a firearm in your home or your car. It's very smart and sensible given the ... well, in The South we have certain things we must take into consideration. We absolutely must not allow violent felons the right to carry imho. Nor should we allow dimwitted irresponsible people to carry.

SC has more restrictive carry than AL currently has, even without Constitutional carry. Open carry without a permit is legal. Printing isn't a thing. Fee for a permit is nominal. In my county it is $15 per year. Most bordering counties to mine charge 20. Permit renewals can be done online for most counties with no training requirement. There are many firearm trainers in this state to help those who want to get better. Most of us use the ALEA/APOST (Alabama Law Enforcement Agency aka State Trooper/Alabama Peace Officers Standards and Training) as the minimum test for firearm competency in students.

https://www.una.edu/police/docs/forms/handgun.pdf
 
I'm no fan of DewIne but I'd rather see him as governor than antigun Dayton mayor Nan Whaley who is almost certain to be his opponent. That's a guaranteed four years of no gun bills getting signed if she wins.
 
If Dewine doesn't get the job done, then we have to vote for her to get rid of him. And I will do that. He's been a terrible governor, and this is his two chances to make up for that. Pass constitutional carry, and pass a block for the vax mandate. Failure to do so, loses my vote 100% for all Republicans. Anger me further, and I'll vote for your enemies, then leave.

He can take his lockdown and his masks, and shove it. That's what sucks about our political system. You have to vote for Satan to get rid of Rhinos, or pay the mob to off them. Not such a great country after all.
 
"Constitutional carry" is a meaningless phrase. ALMOST every State in the U.S. that has passed it so far has Demo run cities that will not comply with it - even when the State law says they must. I live in a State where everyone got so excited when our State Legislators passed "consititutional carry" and patted themselves on the back for being so brave and 5 years later every major city in the State still will not allow you to carry a gun or will require a permit for a hefty fee (which they will never issue unless you are related to the Mayor). It's the old carrot and the stick trick. Don't fall for it..... And would somebody please explain to me why Govt. buildings and banks and police departments and airports still forbid carry? Why are they "murder free zones"?
 
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Isn't it sad that we're all talking about state or city laws that either permit or hinder one from defending himself with a firearm when the 2nd Amendment gives us that right unequivocally. I guess the saddest part of this is the oath of office that is taken to defend the Constitution and then treated like just so many words without meaning. In my opinion that's treason and should be treated as such.
 
It’s crazy here in Texas. Constitutional carry passed and there is no difference in daily life. It’s like everyone forgot we were supposed to revert back to Wild West gun slingers overnight. I guess the scare campaigns failed on this one. :thumbup:
Yep.
Even all the dire predictions of 30.05 signage springing up everywhere, I've yet to see one. The only signs I have seen are the preexisting 30.06 (no concealed carry) and 30.07 (no open carry) ones. There's some debate on whether 30.05 signs only ban non-LTC, or ban all carriers (there is a request for clarification by the AG office that is still pending).

I have to admit to having two minds on the topic--if only in an academic fashion. For people with sufficient training, getting more (minimal) training, and paying a fee to have a License To Carry is passing redundant. And I question if the minimal training is anywhere near enough (one of the problems of average dunderheads is that 50% are below average). And, naturally, all of that is academic where liberty is in question. There, my every reflex is for less legislation not more.

To be very clear I'm no more in favor of registering gun owners than I am of registering guns themselves. Ans our nation managed to stumble along for most of two centuries without such a thing, no matter how much that infuriates certain people in hyper-dense metro areas. This is a debate which simply cannot be left to the simpletons in politics.

More freedom is always a good thing. And must needs be celebrated.
 
SC has more restrictive carry than AL currently has, even without Constitutional carry. Open carry without a permit is legal. Printing isn't a thing. Fee for a permit is nominal. In my county it is $15 per year. Most bordering counties to mine charge 20. Permit renewals can be done online for most counties with no training requirement. There are many firearm trainers in this state to help those who want to get better. Most of us use the ALEA/APOST (Alabama Law Enforcement Agency aka State Trooper/Alabama Peace Officers Standards and Training) as the minimum test for firearm competency in students.

https://www.una.edu/police/docs/forms/handgun.pdf

Good to know, thank you for setting me straight. I learned something. I was working, building hotels in Huntsville, Bham and Mobile for three years ... apparently made my post off of some bad info. Love the state of Bama though! ;)
 
It’s crazy here in Texas. Constitutional carry passed and there is no difference in daily life. It’s like everyone forgot we were supposed to revert back to Wild West gun slingers overnight. I guess the scare campaigns failed on this one. :thumbup: But with the latest cold bug going around.......... half the population is oxygen deprived with tight fitting diapers as they attempt to drive, alone in their cars.
Because it works just fine in all the states that have it. I am an LTC holder in Texas and already knew it would not change life as we know it.
 
Yep.
Even all the dire predictions of 30.05 signage springing up everywhere, I've yet to see one. The only signs I have seen are the preexisting 30.06 (no concealed carry) and 30.07 (no open carry) ones. There's some debate on whether 30.05 signs only ban non-LTC, or ban all carriers (there is a request for clarification by the AG office that is still pending).

I have to admit to having two minds on the topic--if only in an academic fashion. For people with sufficient training, getting more (minimal) training, and paying a fee to have a License To Carry is passing redundant. And I question if the minimal training is anywhere near enough (one of the problems of average dunderheads is that 50% are below average). And, naturally, all of that is academic where liberty is in question. There, my every reflex is for less legislation not more.

To be very clear I'm no more in favor of registering gun owners than I am of registering guns themselves. Ans our nation managed to stumble along for most of two centuries without such a thing, no matter how much that infuriates certain people in hyper-dense metro areas. This is a debate which simply cannot be left to the simpletons in politics.

More freedom is always a good thing. And must needs be celebrated.
30.05 only bans non licensed carry. What should have been done is to make it so no signage is enforceable. You can be asked to leave or be charged with trespassing. Criminals don't pay attention to signs anyway.
 
Kansas has a statewide no preemption law, which means the cities can't create laws more restrictive than the state laws. The 'no guns' signs are unenforceable against carrying, except that they can ask you to leave and if you don't you will be trespassing. There are still locations that you can't enter when carrying, such as school buildings and other government buildings.

The Kansas CCL is valuable because I like to have a firearm when camping in Colorado.
 
My view on this is that a handful of additional constitutional carry states, which were already states that recognized out of state permits, does not really do much to improve carry rights on the whole. The real barrier remains the states that do not recognize out of state permits. If 40 states become constitutional carry, and 10 have no option at all, then in many cases you cannot effectively travel with a firearm due to those 10, particularly if they are states that are difficult to avoid.
I certainly don't object to states going permit-less, its a nice trend, but our efforts, money, political pressure, etc. need to be focused on getting a nationally recognized permit system.
 
Isn't it sad that we're all talking about state or city laws that either permit or hinder one from defending himself with a firearm when the 2nd Amendment gives us that right unequivocally.
The 2nd Amendment is not unequivocal -- Justice Scalia said so in the Heller case. But really, the Constitution doesn't mean that convicted violent felons must be allowed to walk around with concealed guns.

The exact parameters of the RKBA have developed over time, and continue to evolve.
 
AlexanderA, I disagree with what you said and here's why: Please note what the Court held at the bottom. You can say, regardless of what you claim Scalia's position is, that it's not unequivocal but it most certainly is according to the Court.



OCTOBER TERM, 2007 1

Syllabus

NOTE: Where it is feasible, a syllabus (headnote) will be released, as is being done in connection with this case, at the time the opinion is issued. The syllabus constitutes no part of the opinion of the Court but has been prepared by the Reporter of Decisions for the convenience of the reader. See United States v. Detroit Timber & Lumber Co., 200 U. S. 321, 337.

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Syllabus

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ET AL. v. HELLER CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR

THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT

No. 07–290. Argued March 18, 2008—Decided June 26, 2008

District of Columbia law bans handgun possession by making it a crime to carry an unregistered firearm and prohibiting the registration of handguns; provides separately that no person may carry an unli- censed handgun, but authorizes the police chief to issue 1-year li- censes; and requires residents to keep lawfully owned firearms unloaded and disassembled or bound by a trigger lock or similar de- vice. Respondent Heller, a D. C. special policeman, applied to regis- ter a handgun he wished to keep at home, but the District refused. He filed this suit seeking, on Second Amendment grounds, to enjoin the city from enforcing the bar on handgun registration, the licensing requirement insofar as it prohibits carrying an unlicensed firearm in the home, and the trigger-lock requirement insofar as it prohibits the use of functional firearms in the home. The District Court dismissed the suit, but the D. C. Circuit reversed, holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to possess firearms and that the city’s total ban on handguns, as well as its requirement that firearms in the home be kept nonfunctional even when necessary for self-defense, violated that right.

Held:

1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.

(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation
 
Won't mind seeing Ohio pass this, but I plan to keep renewing my CCW permit because I travel out of state. Kind of curious how this will effect reciprocity in the long run.
 
AlexanderA, I disagree with what you said and here's why: Please note what the Court held at the bottom. You can say, regardless of what you claim Scalia's position is, that it's not unequivocal but it most certainly is according to the Court.

This is from Scalia's actual opinion. Note that the syllabus that you cite is not part of the actual opinion.

Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases, commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. See, e.g., Sheldon, in 5 Blume 346; Rawle 123; Pomeroy 152–153; Abbott 333. For example, the majority of the 19th-century courts to consider the question held that prohibitions on carrying concealed weapons were lawful under the Second Amendment or state analogues. See, e.g., State v. Chandler, 5 La. Ann., at 489–490; Nunn v. State, 1 Ga., at 251; see generally 2Kent *340, n. 2; The American Students’ Blackstone 84, n. 11 (G. Chase ed. 1884). Although we do not undertake an exhaustive historical analysis today of the full scope of the Second Amendment, nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
 
Won't mind seeing Ohio pass this, but I plan to keep renewing my CCW permit because I travel out of state.
I agree - it's a good idea to keep your CCW permit for travel out of state, as long as the states you're traveling through, or to, recognize it. However, you won't need your CCW permit when you're here in Idaho (rhymes with "Ohio") because Idaho's Permitless carry laws extend to out of state residents.:)
 
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While most of you like this because you think it is a 2A win this opens up the door for more idiots to buy a gun and shove it in their waistband, head to the store and not have a clue about use of force, marksmanship, and just plain gun handling experience. I know people who only have experience of popping a few rounds off at beer cans who cant wait for this to pass so they can throw a pistol in their waistband. I see it every day on the FB community pages where someone says their car or home was broken into and someone says they would shoot someone for breaking into their car. Do we really want these people carrying a gun with absolutely no training?
 
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