Loudest Pump Action?
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I don't know, but that does bring up a whole new area of "tactical" accessories... Weapon Intimidation Amplification!!!
Maybe I can test it by duct-taping my neighbor's kid's karaoke machine under the barrel of my Model 12. With the volume turned up to "11", of course.
Maybe I can test it by duct-taping my neighbor's kid's karaoke machine under the barrel of my Model 12. With the volume turned up to "11", of course.
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Flory, do 9 out of 10 bears charge when hearing an M1 **piinnnggg**? 
Badger Arms
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I think the Mossberg is the loudest. It rattles, clanks, and bangs all over the place. That's BEFORE you work the action!
labgrade
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"Which shotgun has the loudest/most intimidating pump action?"
Every one of 'em.
Racking any pump shotgun is the one universal rule of "quit being stupid."
Somehow, it's the one sound that always gets everyone's attention.
Every one of 'em.
Racking any pump shotgun is the one universal rule of "quit being stupid."
Somehow, it's the one sound that always gets everyone's attention.
SMLE
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I'll second the vote for the Winchester '97. But what if you're dealing with a deaf perp?
That scatter gun had better be able to go BOOM and do it EVERY TIME you pull the trigger too. The "intimidation factor" of shotgun is real, but don't bet your @$$ on it. When I rack that slide, it's to chamber a live round. While I may hope that the sight and sound alone will make the BG call it quits, I'm NOT going to count on it.
That scatter gun had better be able to go BOOM and do it EVERY TIME you pull the trigger too. The "intimidation factor" of shotgun is real, but don't bet your @$$ on it. When I rack that slide, it's to chamber a live round. While I may hope that the sight and sound alone will make the BG call it quits, I'm NOT going to count on it.
Captain Bligh
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Badger well said about noisy Mossy's That was a deciding factor in my buying an 870.
RJ
That was a deciding factor in my buying an 870.RJ
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SteveW13 - You bring up a good point about dogs. If we ever have an intruder and I pick up a shotgun, my dog will immediately begin racing back and forth between me and the garage door. Heck, if the intruder were armed, the dog would probably just assume that he was just another hunter.
Taken a step further, what do you do in a HD scenario if you shoot the evil-doer and your dog tries to make the retrieve? Do you use it to your advantage? Do you wander around the house with the dog yelling "Dead perp! Dead perp! Come on boy! Find the perp!"?
Taken a step further, what do you do in a HD scenario if you shoot the evil-doer and your dog tries to make the retrieve? Do you use it to your advantage? Do you wander around the house with the dog yelling "Dead perp! Dead perp! Come on boy! Find the perp!"?
seeker_two
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Any pump shotgun can make an intimidating noise to a burglar......
....for a split-second, that is.
!!!BOOM!!!
....for a split-second, that is.
!!!BOOM!!!
Denny Hansen
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IMO the "intimidating sound of a slide being racked" is an urban myth. I base this on numerous occasions while working the street where it had no visible effect on a bad guy at all.
Using the "reasonable man" standard, said "reasonable man" will be intimidated. The sad part is that since you have to bring out the heavy artillery, there's a real good chance that the bad guy is not reasonable.
Add to this the fact that after tunnel vision sets in, the next thing that takes place is auditory exclusion in a stress situation, so a bad guy may not hear the action being worked at all.
Counting on a noise to intimidate someone with a shotgun is akin to bluffing with a handgun, in which case the handiest piece of gear you can have with you is a file. Removing the front sight makes it much easier for the bad guy to insert the barrel into your nether regions.
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Using the "reasonable man" standard, said "reasonable man" will be intimidated. The sad part is that since you have to bring out the heavy artillery, there's a real good chance that the bad guy is not reasonable.
Add to this the fact that after tunnel vision sets in, the next thing that takes place is auditory exclusion in a stress situation, so a bad guy may not hear the action being worked at all.
Counting on a noise to intimidate someone with a shotgun is akin to bluffing with a handgun, in which case the handiest piece of gear you can have with you is a file. Removing the front sight makes it much easier for the bad guy to insert the barrel into your nether regions.
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Denny - While I generally agree with your points, I have one anecdote I'd like to share. While in college, I was awakened one night by the sounds of multiple people breaking into my apartment. I quickly retrieved my Model 12 from the closet and chambered a shell.
At the sound of the action being closed, the people (who turned out to be a few inebriated friends of mine) loudly announced who they were and that they were and that they definitely did not want to be shot. Evidently, they had closed a local bar and while walking past my building, decided they wanted to see if I would either (A) give them more beer or (B) join in their festivities. I did neither, but did suggest they take up a collection to pay for the door they had just boogered up.
I agree that if someone has bad intentions in mind, a noise isn't going to do much. However, there may be some instances (a neighbor kid looking to steal your stereo, or drunken friends) when it "works". I certainly wouldn't count on it though.
At the sound of the action being closed, the people (who turned out to be a few inebriated friends of mine) loudly announced who they were and that they were and that they definitely did not want to be shot. Evidently, they had closed a local bar and while walking past my building, decided they wanted to see if I would either (A) give them more beer or (B) join in their festivities. I did neither, but did suggest they take up a collection to pay for the door they had just boogered up.
I agree that if someone has bad intentions in mind, a noise isn't going to do much. However, there may be some instances (a neighbor kid looking to steal your stereo, or drunken friends) when it "works". I certainly wouldn't count on it though.
Andrew Wyatt
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My mossberg has been quieted down nicely by the pump mounted forend light.
The reason why mossbergs have the reputation for being loud is the fact that the action bars are allowed to float, instead of being rigidly mounted to the slide assembly.
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Denny, I will respectfully DISAGREE with you on this point. We are talking indoors, quiet house, nighttime. The BG is invariably on edge, a FINE edge. BG's are keenly aware of the threat of armed homeowners. They realize that homeowners are WILLING and ABLE to point center-of-mass and let loose. Law enforcement officers are kittens who have to obey the rules. Enter MY house and you are an immediate threat to my physical safety and that of my family. That 'clank-clank' will be immediately followed by a boom so long as that person does not IMMEDIATELY cease what they are doing, drop their weapon (if applicable) and lay face down on the floor. So long as they are in my house and mobile, my life and that of my family is at risk and I WILL SHOOT!
The situation you describe of working 'on the street' implies that you are a security guard, uniformed police officer, prison guard, or some such thing. Since each of these situations is different, I'll assume you meant police officer. Police officers do have a set of rules to follow. They don't even intimidate me, and I'm a good guy. I know what their rules of engagement are and I have faith that they will not shoot me unless I complete the threat triangle. I value my life and doubt I will do that. I believe that even the most 'out of it' street thug realizes EXACTLY what the police are capable of. They are more afraid of an armed citizen. Surveys and statistics are all I have to back this, but I don't believe one can take experience on the street and apply it to home defense situations.
Andrew Wyatt
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That said, I'd rather the first knowledge of my presence be the blinding flashlight than the sound of me frantically loading my shotgun.
According to my wife it is an 870. As I've practice dry firing mine a couple hundred thousand times, she is a bit tired of the noise.
Honestly if I was a badguy in your house and I heard the noise of the pump, that just tells me which direction to open fire in.
Honestly if I was a badguy in your house and I heard the noise of the pump, that just tells me which direction to open fire in.
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I agree with both Denny and Correia. Auditory exclusions, women folk doing that "huff" before the "hissy fit", and where that sounds is coming from...
The loudest I have heard from the muzzle end? Ithaca 37!!
My mom's station wagon matched the description of a vehicle used in a robbery, a State Policeman was shot and injured...I'm 16, running errands for mom, milk bread, eggs, for us and a dish for a sick friend. I was pulled over ,"aren't you so and so's boy". Second time, it took a bit longer, with Local police. I informed officer you pulled me over looking for the fella using a vehicle like mom's that robbed and shot...go ask sick person and family about 3 blks up the street.
Third time...State boys , two cars , "made darn sure I pulled over, right there" , "Officer"..." Shut - up Kid...what is in the sack?" I'm 16 and stupid...I reach for sack on passenger floorboard with the milk, bread eggs...Trust me, when an officer opens the passenger door and the muzzle is 2 ft from right ear a model 37 is by far the loudest!!
"Follow me home...please?" Every mom awaits the day to see their eldest son return home with two State Police Cars. with "lights a flashing"..it's just one of those...."moments" Mom's look forward to....
I agree with both Denny and Correia. Auditory exclusions, women folk doing that "huff" before the "hissy fit", and where that sounds is coming from...
The loudest I have heard from the muzzle end? Ithaca 37!!
My mom's station wagon matched the description of a vehicle used in a robbery, a State Policeman was shot and injured...I'm 16, running errands for mom, milk bread, eggs, for us and a dish for a sick friend. I was pulled over ,"aren't you so and so's boy". Second time, it took a bit longer, with Local police. I informed officer you pulled me over looking for the fella using a vehicle like mom's that robbed and shot...go ask sick person and family about 3 blks up the street.
Third time...State boys , two cars , "made darn sure I pulled over, right there" , "Officer"..." Shut - up Kid...what is in the sack?" I'm 16 and stupid...I reach for sack on passenger floorboard with the milk, bread eggs...Trust me, when an officer opens the passenger door and the muzzle is 2 ft from right ear a model 37 is by far the loudest!!
"Follow me home...please?" Every mom awaits the day to see their eldest son return home with two State Police Cars. with "lights a flashing"..it's just one of those...."moments" Mom's look forward to....
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Bobby Miller wasn't really a bad sort as convicted felons go, he had pulled at short series of B&Es and caught 6 years for it in his late teens. But, he was short, blond haired, blue eyed, had few friends or fighting skills, and the other inmates is some of MD's toughest prisons looked at him like he was a piece of meat. In a way he was.
So, Bobby escaped from every prison he was incarcerated at. He lay down in the snow under a white sheet at the House of Correction,which led to all inmate sheets being dyed blue.
Anyway, it was 1980, he was back from his escape at MHC, and I saw him moseying around the yard with the other inmates during rec time. I was working OT, and holding down a ground level gun post outside the yard, between the main entrance and the Northwest Tower.Armament was an 870 with 00 and a S&W Model 64.In the NW tower, a rookie of questionable intelligence and sanity was posted.At one point, Bobby approached the fence, waved and yelled something like," Would you shoot me if I jumped the fence,Mr McCracken?". I smiled like a possum and yelled back he didn't want to find out. I spoke truly.
Around 8 the yard closed, and the gym closed at 10PM and the last count began. I stood down and prepared to close the post, which was to happen when the count cleared. Instead, I had a LT head out the entrance to tell the perimeter guards that one inmate was missing off the count. Right, Bobby Miller....
I told the Lt that Bobby had been in the yard earlier. He continued to check the perimeter but got on the radio and directed a team to search the yard while he finished up the perimeter. After he told the rookie in the NW tower what was going on, he headed for the back fence. I eased over as far as I could and told the rookie that any fire in my sector would be mine alone. Friendly fire isn't.
Sure enough, Bobby was hiding in the yard and ran for the fence when spotted. The team saw this and yelled. I racked a round without having Bobby in sight and awaited events.
The team about rolled on the ground telling me about it afterwards. According to them, Bobby skidded to halt when he heard the shuck, threw his hands up and screamed something like "Don't let that $$%^&*( McCracken kill me". They took him into custody without further incident. Besides Attempting an Escape, he was charged with disrespect for calling me a #$%^&*.
I wouldn't depend on the sound doing the job, but yes,it can work.
So, Bobby escaped from every prison he was incarcerated at. He lay down in the snow under a white sheet at the House of Correction,which led to all inmate sheets being dyed blue.
Anyway, it was 1980, he was back from his escape at MHC, and I saw him moseying around the yard with the other inmates during rec time. I was working OT, and holding down a ground level gun post outside the yard, between the main entrance and the Northwest Tower.Armament was an 870 with 00 and a S&W Model 64.In the NW tower, a rookie of questionable intelligence and sanity was posted.At one point, Bobby approached the fence, waved and yelled something like," Would you shoot me if I jumped the fence,Mr McCracken?". I smiled like a possum and yelled back he didn't want to find out. I spoke truly.
Around 8 the yard closed, and the gym closed at 10PM and the last count began. I stood down and prepared to close the post, which was to happen when the count cleared. Instead, I had a LT head out the entrance to tell the perimeter guards that one inmate was missing off the count. Right, Bobby Miller....
I told the Lt that Bobby had been in the yard earlier. He continued to check the perimeter but got on the radio and directed a team to search the yard while he finished up the perimeter. After he told the rookie in the NW tower what was going on, he headed for the back fence. I eased over as far as I could and told the rookie that any fire in my sector would be mine alone. Friendly fire isn't.
Sure enough, Bobby was hiding in the yard and ran for the fence when spotted. The team saw this and yelled. I racked a round without having Bobby in sight and awaited events.
The team about rolled on the ground telling me about it afterwards. According to them, Bobby skidded to halt when he heard the shuck, threw his hands up and screamed something like "Don't let that $$%^&*( McCracken kill me". They took him into custody without further incident. Besides Attempting an Escape, he was charged with disrespect for calling me a #$%^&*.
I wouldn't depend on the sound doing the job, but yes,it can work.
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My best friend and I have had the misfortune of being on the wrong side of a pump shotgun being pumped. We were in boy scouts, were about 14 and were delivering Christmas food baskets. My friends dad was driving the truck, and my friend and I walked the baskets to the door. Things had been going well, with many children smiling, and mothers weeping at their good fortune until we hit our last house in this particular neighborhood. My friend and I were cheerfully in condition white (we were 14!), glad to be spreading some x-mas cheer, as we strolled up to the house. We both stood in front of the door, and I knocked loudly. Next thing I hear, is the sound of a pump being racked, and my friend and I diving for either side of the door in fear. To this day I’m still not sure what the gentleman in question was screaming at us but I do believe he thought we were the police . We both ran off as fast as we could, staying as low as we could< and exited the area as fast as we could. The rest of the day, and on future trips we never stood in front of the door after knocking. Also To this day, almost 10 years later, we both remember that sound, use pump shotguns in our home defense, and have ccw permits. Oh, and his dad went armed the next year for the food basket deliveries . So yes, while I don’t depend on the sound of a shotgun being racked as a deterrent, I figure it cant hurt the situation one bit.
. We both ran off as fast as we could, staying as low as we could< and exited the area as fast as we could. The rest of the day, and on future trips we never stood in front of the door after knocking. Also To this day, almost 10 years later, we both remember that sound, use pump shotguns in our home defense, and have ccw permits. Oh, and his dad went armed the next year for the food basket deliveries . So yes, while I don’t depend on the sound of a shotgun being racked as a deterrent, I figure it cant hurt the situation one bit.Rupestris
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Believe it or not, I've been there too. When I was a stupid teen as well. A friend and I were pulled over for speeding. Friend was driving. He kept his proof of insurance and registration under the passenger seat because the glove box was broke. When the LEO asked for it my friend told me to reach under the seat and get it.
Without thinking I stuck my hand under the seat. I didn't hear the racking od a SG but I did hear the muzzle of a S&W hit the passenger side window.
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